Electros bad for futur of sport u can get them so cheap that newbi can get them

[E=Mag MAN]

Okay im accually worried were paintball is going!I think there is way to many electro guns u can now get a electro for under 200 dollars premierd at zap.Kingman is coming out with amg electro wich will be cheap and aforadable.PGI has new cheap guns (electro)the paintball gun world is becoming all electronic i dont like that.i think the mix is fun. I know tourney ball is almost all electro but thats a little diferent i think.im talking about walk ons imagin all the times u accidently shoot your mnarker in staging area but u always have your plug think of how many times u just accidently shoot it.Now imagin hwo many times u see a newbi without his mask on on feild because he gothot or couldnt see.Now think of hwo many newbies dont have ther barrel plug in okay okay now think of how many times they will accidently shoot ther gun with out plug with other newbi who dont have mask on i smell alotmore injuries.i just think cheap electro so everybody has electro is bad for sport make sit somehwat un fun for everybody on teh feild to shoot 15 bps i fi could have paintball anyway i wish it would of stayed the way it was in 1987 thats when i was born bu to stalk and play with pumps is 10 more times funwish it stayed that way.im not stero typing newbis i help newbies and talk to them asnswer all questions try to be nice caus ei knwo how it is to be new and treated like trash because u didnt own a 1000 dollar gun. my point is i think all thses electros are bad. does anybody agree with me
i shoot emag but i am starting tournyball and play front tap i need a fast gun but does the average rec player thats what is happening at my feild

[Ni cD]

I think it will make the game more intense, but you have a good point.

[Cha0tic]

there is a topic in deep blue about this. its a pretty debatable topic.

[User]

It is a good point, but it's just like everything else; when something more sophisticated emerges on the market, the industry (and most of the players) jump on it to have the advantage they see in the equipment. Electronics in Paintball (not only on the markers) have brought out revolutionary and beneficial ideas, as everyone has seen, such as anti-chop eyes, faster feeding sytems, etc. (although some of these were developed to comply with the insane firing rates and advancements. ). Overall, I see the electronic revolution as a benefit to our sport, rather than a bad thing.

Just because Paintball seems to be evolving into the "electro age" doesn't mean all is lost. I have seen pump players at our field 10x better than those with electros, and are respected even more. Over half of the people I see at my field do not use electros, and sometimes amaze me by how they play.

About the safety issue, I agree with your concern. Accidental firing has surprised me on the field sometimes just by brushing my finger on the trigger. Until some way of absolute security for all types of markers is found, there most likely will be accidents due to improper handling or misuse of any paintball marker. Newbies should be informed of the caution they must take when using an electronic marker, and some of it may just be laziness to read the manual or such. Nothing comes to my mind when thinking about how the "safety enforcement" could be endorsed better at this point, except only taking it upon yourself to talk to the person if he/she isn't using or holding the marker in a safe way. I haven't seen a problem yet with a newbie using an electro at my field.

[Nitroduck]

The only saftey concern is if they have arming switches and if they are easy to accidentally switch off/on.

Also, by the way, most of these affordable electros do not have the super sweet triggers the better electros have. The ZAP has more of a PVI shocker trigger pull as opposed to a angel or emag....Which do not have the mouse click triggers that can accidentally go off.

[magman007]

ok first off there are still a crap load of cockers on the turny scene, electros that cheep are made be cause they will sell! people thin they are the macdady of paintball guns, this is why agd was smart and released the e-mag and is releasing the modular e-mag, so they will apeal to the masses!!! It is all about money

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[Magadeth]

IMO, the best way to deal with safety is to instill an ethic of self policeing among the players. Thats how it is where I play, If a newbie takes his goggles off during a game you will hear a chorus of "PUT YOUR GOGGLES ON!" from as many players who see it happen. It's the same way with barrel plugs in the safe area.

If players watch out for the newbs and make it a mark of experience to do so, things should be just fine.

Last week we had one new guy who kept on violating our safety rules. After the third incedent, a bunch of us older players really jumped down his throat about eye loss and responsibility. Later that day I heard him yelling at a friend of his during a game to put his goggles back on. Hopefully his attitude was changed for good, and he will now instill it in his friends.

[E=Mag MAN]

thx for your replys so far been about 2 hours hehe like to see more post i want to her ehwat everybody has to say keep em coming your right baout one thing though it will make it more intense hehe

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[Miscue]

As requested, cleaned up your posts. All the bad stuff, and things connected... gone now.

-Miscue

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[slayer]

I have a few opinions on this topic. First, even though I don't play in a tournament I own an e-mag; why? because I wanted one. The quality is topnotch and I am more accurate with it because I am not exerting as much force as I would for a mechanical gun. Why not let anyone have as much firepower as they want? Just because I can hose doesn't mean I always do, nor does it mean I shoot people excessively. It isn't the gun thats dangerous, its the people.
Secondly I want to bring up the qualm I have about barrel plugs. I think they install a false sense of safety in everyone. I hate when people point their gun wherever with a barrel plug in. Those fly out too you know. Now there are barrel condoms and I think they are great but there will NEVER be a substitute for safe gun handling in the staging area. I think that barrel plugs have become a way for fields to sidestep the ignorance of some player by not explaining safe handling rules, and just telling people to put them in. Barrel stoppers are definitely added safety devices when used correctly but are unsafety devices when used as a substitute for safe gun handling practices.

[mykroft]

Well, The new Zap electro's have a trigger like a cap gun, and top out at 11bps. The recent Wayne Dollack Scenario at Wasga Beach Painball gave 2 of them away before going on the grand prize: A MiniMag. Frankly I'd take a stock Spyder or Pirahna over that POS anyday. The new Spyder AMG and Pirahna G3 Pro-E are going to be more money, and probably in the same pricerange as a Rainmaker, with about the same performance (ie: fast but LOUD)

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[MinimagRockin']

I agree that these new cheap electronic guns are silly. It seems that they are only being produced because they will sell and not because they are actually good guns. It does kind of show quality semis in a new light though since anyone would probably prefer a mag or cocker over a $200 electronic spyder. So it does further disprove the misconception that just because it is electronic that doesn't make it an elite paintball gun.

[martlet1]

i played a little top gun this weekend , and during 10 games i used less than 400 rounds in my micromag. its playing paintball, not paintball gun. I won 8 of 10 games against angels, cockers, and even rental guns. One guy with the rental tipman beat 4 angels and 2 cockers to take 2nd place... so ..... take it as you may on this one.

[Trenon]

Guys i think the real issue here is that these new electro markers arejust the standard spyder/pirahna with an electric trigger. These guns were not made to pull the rof that the triggers can do, nor were they made for large volume shooter which one becomes when they get an electro in their hands. I personally feel sorry for whoever buys these guns because they will constantly be replacing sears, bolts and many other parts that get torn to shreads when they fire the crap out of the gun.

[Ni cD]

Ok, I know this is OT...but - do any of you guys know where I can find pics of these new Zap markers?