cocker or mag

[shagman69]

i have shot both mags and cockers from blackmagic to rt. I am sad to say i now beleive cockers are much better. mags are great but they opperate at to high of pressure.
they are different and are used for diffrent things. i sold my bushy and bought a mag cus i think are just cool.

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[mykroft]

Funnily enough, the mag's running at the same pressure as the Black Magic and STO, which is about 400psi. I've shot them both, and it's all about which trigger you like better.

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Mykroft Holmes IV
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My Mags:
CF11023, Classic Feed, 16" CP .689, 14" JnJ Stainless, Ring trigger, WGP Reg, Diamond Labs Ti Reg Adjuster.

VV00614(Valve)/VV00423(reg), Black Teflon HR Powerfeed, 16" SP AA,14" JnJ Ceramic, AGD Intelliframe Blade, Benchy Crossfire cradle/on-off, black foregrip, Macroline.
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[Yama]

too high of a pressure??? correct me if im wrong but, dont mags operate at like 350-450 psi?

[shagman69]

sorry guys i didnt know that but i knew they were pretty close, but i s still think cockers chop less and look cooler {notalot} but. i want a cocker, andif you look through a pb mag85% of guns yoused in big tourny's are cockers and angels

[Zo]

rts need 600-800. if i run anything below 550 my rt will do some funky stuff.

[mykroft]

Zo, That's input pressure, not chamber pressure. The Mags have an internal reg, and you want at least 150psi difference across a reg to get decent performance. Chamber pressure of a standard Mag valve and a Retro are about 400, a Smartmag is 350-375 and a hypermag is 450-475.

My experience suggests that cockers chop just as much as mags. For the reasons why Cockers and Anmgels are most popular, do a search for RiceRocket's post on the subject

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Mykroft Holmes IV
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My Mags:
CF11023, Classic Feed, 16" CP .689, 14" JnJ Stainless, Ring trigger, WGP Reg, Diamond Labs Ti Reg Adjuster.

VV00614(Valve)/VV00423(reg), Black Teflon HR Powerfeed, 16" SP AA,14" JnJ Ceramic, AGD Intelliframe Blade, Benchy Crossfire cradle/on-off, black foregrip, Macroline.
PMI 48/3K Preset HPA


"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch" R.A.Heinlein - 'The Moon is a Harsh Mistress'

[keebler]

yeah shagman you are cool, just go with the crowd. is that your reason you like them, cause alot of pros use them? so i gues cockers are better than shockers, emags, bushmasters, defiants, intimidators, matrix, and all other top of the line guns just cause more pros use them? just cause everybody and there brother use cockers doesn't mean they are better than any other gun. where i play nobody uses impulses or shockers, but a ton of people use tippmanns, so to you that would make tippmanns better than shockers and and impulses wouldn't it?

[shagman69]

i am just sayin that i have been through alot of guns now and shot alot of guns and it just seems to come downto the angel and high grade cocker

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[MJS1214]

QUOTE:yeah shagman you are cool, just go with the crowd. is that your reason you like them, cause alot of pros use them? so i gues cockers are better than shockers, emags, bushmasters, defiants, intimidators, matrix, and all other top of the line guns just cause more pros use them? just cause everybody and there brother use cockers doesn't mean they are better than any other gun. where i play nobody uses impulses or shockers, but a ton of people use tippmanns, so to you that would make tippmanns better than shockers and and impulses wouldn't it?

this is probably the smartest thing that I have heard in a long long time.

[FeelTheRT]

I too use a Cocker and ditched the RT but Mags are great guns.

And too high of a presure??
Mags operate at 350-400psi and same with Cockers. Sure you can get LP mods for Cockers but LP is nothing but bull honky.

[Rrok]

I would like to know shagman. What is so bad about a high operating pressure anyways?

[skipdogg]

usually the biggest difference with people that shoot cockers is that they live up to the name of the gun. At least for the majority of Pro players...well and rec too. Just my opinion

[FeelTheRT]

skipdogg: acutally a mass majority of people like Autocockers is because they are very customizable and tweakable. Because they have many aftermarket parts, almost every Autocoker is different an unique.

[keebler]

Originally posted by FeelTheRT:
I too use a Cocker and ditched the RT but Mags are great guns.

And too high of a presure??
Mags operate at 350-400psi and same with Cockers. Sure you can get LP mods for Cockers but LP is nothing but bull honky.

acutaly lp is kind of nice. instead of choping a ball, the bolt will just pinch it, so with a cocker you can just pull the bolt back and aviod a mess in your gun. also with the right lp setup you can get like 1000 shots out of a 45ci 4500psi nitro tank, atleast the owner of the field i play at does

[fenris69]

quite right, ill be building one next...was gonna construct a mag, but wheres the challenge?? not a whole lot to go wrong there...ergo no fun cant shake the mag for simple use but i wouldnt mind tinkering with a cocker...just the kinda thing i love(and my gf hates)