forced to use co2

[garycbet]

OK here goes. Used to play paintball all the time when I lived in virginia. mag and cocker were the guns to have. I saved up and got a fully stock minimag. I believe rev 7. I played for a summer with a stock gun. worked great. I got a job in a part of Iowa that was very remote. Nobody had markers that used. air. Much different game also, and the players were very unreliable. I stoped playing. Now I have moved to KY. There seems to be outright hatred for the mag in the bluegrass.
I started playing and the respect level has increased localy. Since everyone is using lesser guns there has been no push for nitro and there are no plans in the future. I want to trick my gun out and hopefully generate some local interest.

1. What would be the best set of upgrades for top performace on co2.

2. what mods will not work.

[ChucktheMAGician]

Welcome to AO, sounds like you shoulda stayed in VA! Although you are bringing mag enlightenment to a new area so that's good to. I'd go for Anti-siphon, expansion chamber, remote. Any or all of those are the best things I see listed for people asking about help w/ co2 on a mag, usually recomended in that order to. An intelliframe and good barrel set would be nice to. The X-valve is not supposed to be used w/ Co2, you could however buy level ten seperately and use it in you classic valve. The old finger in the breech trick will really impress people w/ crappy guns! Good luck :)

[impostal22]

i'm in the same boat...gotta use co2...but it really isn't that bad! nitro is a big waste of money if you ask me, if you don't want the Xvalve. i run my mag on a regular co2 tank with a 6 stage aci xchamber and i have yet to freeze. it really isn't bad, just don't tilt your gun down too much hehe. chuck's right about the upgrades, although i wouldn't recommend a remote (but that's more personal preference)...i'd go nice barrel/intelliframe/level 10 bolt and you're set...that's a good $230ish though so..have fun hehe. oh and welcome

[Cristobal]

General wisdom is that if you run your co2 on-gun, the first thing you want is an anti-siphon (and possibly a slightly ASA). The poor man's next step is an expansion chamber. If you've got more money though, an inline co2 friendly regulator (ie. it won't freeze up easily) will do a lot more for you than an x-chamber will.

A good reg will be far more effective at preventing liquid co2 from getting into the valve. It will also smooth out pressure fluctuations in the co2 going into your valve, which will result in greater consistency. Palmer Stabalizers are generally the first reg to be recommended for mags and co2: they're pretty much the standard for duability, consitency and providing a near-impenetrable barrier to liquid. The AKA sidewinder is also good -- I think btautomag runs one on his co2 setup. A cheaper option might be something like the cmi-2000, it won't give you the same performance but is probably still better than an x-chamber.

[impostal22]

i'd disagree..and apparently most people on the board disagree with using another regulator. it starves the gun for air, and is way too expensive. just using an x-chamber works for me. try that and then if that doesn't work, then go anti-siphon.

[bjjb99]

One could always remove the reg pin and reg seat from within the Mag's internal regulator and just use the Palmer Stabilizer to regulate pressure. This effectively removes the double-regging issue. It's been done before and apparently works quite nicely with CO2.

BJJB

[FlipShot]

Originally posted by impostal22
i'm in the same boat...gotta use co2...but it really isn't that bad! nitro is a big waste of money if you ask me, if you don't want the Xvalve. i run my mag on a regular co2 tank with a 6 stage aci xchamber and i have yet to freeze. it really isn't bad, just don't tilt your gun down too much hehe. chuck's right about the upgrades, although i wouldn't recommend a remote (but that's more personal preference)...i'd go nice barrel/intelliframe/level 10 bolt and you're set...that's a good $230ish though so..have fun hehe. oh and welcome

actually I'v been running Co2 with an anti siphon tank for years now and just the other day I was able to barrow a compressed air system for a game and lemmi tell you. I WILL NEVER PLAY ANOTHER GAME WITH CO2 AGAIN !! the mag seriosly shot SO much better. it's not just about freez down, I never had that problem, it's about the consistancy. And because Of it, I actually played a much better game then I have ever played. I WILL NEVER play again untill I have compressed air !

[garycbet]

Thanks to All

Thanks to all for the great advice. I agree the finger in the breach trick is pretty cool. There seems to be some conflicting info though. one thread suggests the use of the reactive trigger. with inteleframe. is that possible with co2. I guess my confusion comes from the table of options on the main website. some of the mods suggested for me are not available according to that table. Prehaps i have misunderstood. anyway thanks for all of the advice and remember.

Incomming fire always has the right of way.

gary

[ChucktheMAGician]

Usually when people talk about a reactive trigger on mags it invloves using an x or retro valve. These options are available to you, but would involve switching over to nitro. They may have mentioned the intelliframe in subject w/ that also because it feels and looks(blade trigger) so sweet?! You could get one of those also but we didn't mention them because, anti-siphon, barrel, etc. would be better first choice upgrades. What table were you reffering to? If it is one that states what AGD makes then some of the things we suggested wouldn't be on it, Anti-siphon, barrels, x-chambers, etc. Hope that was helpful! Feel free to give us a link to the page you were referring to and any other questions! Happy Mag-ing

[Koosh]

For those who say the Secondary regs (like a palmer Stabilizer) starves the gun for air, I'd like to show you my gun, and ask you to point out what I'm doing wrong on it

I think I have a great setup for co2. I run an anti-syphen tank and the sideline Palmer Stabilizer, and it works great for me. During LOOOONG strings (100+ as fast as my auto-response trigger can go, good for showing off) the gun will start to stutter and freeze... but the way I play that rarely happens, and my mag usually remains consistant enough for me. My O-rings and reg seat are a little worn, so replaceing them could help too.

Within the next two weeks I'll be trying to see if removing the reg pin and seat and running it straight off the stabilizer will help with consistancy at all using co2. Even if it doesnt, it'll be a fun little project, I can FINALLY tinker with my mag!

I only use co2 because it is so much more convienient. That and I can't afford nitrogen at the moment, filling co2 is a 3 mile drive, filling nitrogen is a 25 mile drive, and I don't think its worth it right now. It'll probably be an upgrade in the future, but right now I'm VERY happ with my setup.

[Grasshopper]

Originally posted by impostal22
i'd disagree..and apparently most people on the board disagree with using another regulator. it starves the gun for air, and is way too expensive. just using an x-chamber works for me. try that and then if that doesn't work, then go anti-siphon.

That's not a problem really with 2 regs. 3 is where it begins (although I've never tried it with 3 regs). Anyhow, I'd recomment an anti-siphon tank, benchmark or intelliframe, and a nice barrel. Once you get your barrel, make sure you can get a nice paint to barrel match. It makes a world of difference.

[kotch]

no HPA? heres the key to co2, ran my mags like this back in the day:

20oz Co2 with Anti-Siphon and on/off valve running into a Palmers vert. Stablizer

never freezes up, +/- 3 FPS accross the chrono, dump paint wholesale without worry, anyone that tells you a secondary reg will "starve" the A.I.R. valve has no idea what they are talking about, its redundant with HPA but the right reg (Stabs, old school RG1) will work wonders on co2

--kotch

[Demobilized]

Originally posted by impostal22
i'd disagree..and apparently most people on the board disagree with using another regulator. it starves the gun for air, and is way too expensive. just using an x-chamber works for me. try that and then if that doesn't work, then go anti-siphon.

People don't think doulbe reggin is bad, but triple regging. Tank reg, stab/reg (sidewinder, palms stab), and then the AIR vavle reg. Acutally most people rum 2 regs on their guns. So since most c02 tanks have no reg an extra reg will be very benifial.

[impostal22]

hmm wouldn't an aci 6 stage work almost as well as a palmer stabilizer and for 60 dollars less?

[Koosh]

Originally posted by impostal22
hmm wouldn't an aci 6 stage work almost as well as a palmer stabilizer and for 60 dollars less?

Its a WORLD of difference... I never used an Ex chamber on my mag, but on my old model 98 (where I first discovered the joys of Palmer) going from a 32* ex chamber to the Palmer Stabilizer was like night and day. Compared with the palmer it was like an Ex-Chamber didn't even do anything

I can only ASSUME it would be the same with mags, but don't know...