Stop me from selling my baby and turning over to the dark side

[slushee]

Well I don't know if anyone wants to know, but I'm bored at work and needed to vent!

I was pawing around the web and found the following..

http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/1450/

Now, you have to understand something .. I currently own:

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78483

RTPro Valve
LvL 10
Chrome Body
Dye 2 Finger Trigger w Grips
Dye Gas Thru Grip
Smart Parts All American
Kapp Stubby Drop
Air American Raptor

I orig. purchased this marker something like 9 years ago and have been steadly upgrading her. I have been whining to my friend about selling her for about 3 years now and buying a cocker .. but as much as I have alway's wanted a cocker, how can you compete with the LvL 10?!?! WELL ... now I suppose they can..

http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/1450/

Now that there is the JAM Enterprises Anti-Pinch Bolt, there is nothing left to stop me from selling my mag and getting that cocker I have alway's wanted! .. I suppose the only people that could stop me from selling her are you here at AO ..

Well, I look forward to your suggestions..

[Mallagant]

umm...if you really want a cocker, get one. Its all about what YOU want, its your cash and your gun . Have fun.

[LoveMyMagMoreThanYou]

Are you kidding? If you've been with her for that long why would you give her up? The 'cocker is waaaaaaaaaaay more tempremental. The downtime on them is astronomical when compared to troubleshooting a 'mag. Buy an Emag instead if you want to upgrade or go with a x-mag. Airgun all the way!

[The JOE]

"Captain, the levels of misconception are off the charts!"

If you want the Cocker, go for it. I myself have put the Mag in the Bag (best backup I can think of...) in favor of an Outkast Autococker.

If what you're looking at comes and needs timing, time it. It's not hard. If the regs need sweetspotting... sweetspot them. It's not hard either.

If it comes set up right, then you don't need to do a thing, unless you want to.

Personally, if it's already setup, I wouldn't touch a thing on it, maybe raise/lower the lug a bit...
But other than that just drop some oil in it after every time you play and you're good to go, they really don't require an extraordinary amount of maintenence. (Plus, Cockers don't chop alot in the first place... so long as they're timed correctly)

(Edit - I wrote this thinking along the lines of a used Autococker. New ones are pretty much a blank canvas to do whatever you want with. To save myself time... I just got one that was already moderately "upgraded" (the Outkast) and all I did was mess with the lug. Either way, you can't go wrong)

[slushee]

Is there any good site that will give me the idiot's guide to fixing a cocker? I'd love to know how to time it and make all other adjustments (basically tech a cocker) before I buy the outkast brand new (or a new 2003 stock cocker)

As it sits now, I know nothing about how a cocker works or how to troubleshoot it .. and I would need to know this before I even though of actually getting one!!!!

[The JOE]

In all reality, you really shouldn't have to troubleshoot it... but all the same -

www.pbreview.com - the Cocker forums have quite a bit of information. Also, a FAQ on Cocker related things, some links, and a guide to disassembling and timing it.

www.endlesspb.com - The guy that runs this site has a freakload of knowledge regarding Autocockers.

www.air-powered.com - One I've just recently started visiting. From the way it looks so far, there is alot of stuff about Cockers here... helpful too.

www.paintballravi.com - The Autococker infosheet.

I've found all of these sites extraordinarly helpful (even with the short time I've been checking up on Air-Powered).

[Grasshopper]

http://www.paintballravi.com/Articles/AutocockerInfosheet/ACTroub.html

That should help you with most of your 'Cocker troubles. Now that your leaving your 'Mag, you could always, well, give it to me :)

[Lee]

there is no light in the void....only darkness.....

wheres that pic of the kitten being chased w/ the capiton..."every time you buy an autococker instead of an automag, god kills a kitten...think of the kittens"

please...slushy...THINK OF THE KITTENS!!!!

[WARPED1]

Cocker= 80 moving parts= more that will wear out= more time fixing gun= less playing time= unhappy player= broken gun(from throwing it across the staging area).

[The JOE]

I suppose his title said "Stop me from selling my baby..." but some of this stuff about Cockers is downright unfair!

I know it's a Mag forum, heck the name of the website is Automags.org, but really... do we need to spread the misconceptions like that?

If you're going to convince him to keep the Mag, at least do it truthfully...

[WARPED1]

Are you denying the cocker has 80 moving parts? That's including all the internal stuff ya don't see, at least, thats what was taught to me at the first PTI.
Are you also convinced the cocker shoots farther? If so, say hello to the laws of physics.

*EDIT*Typos rool yoo!

[The JOE]

Good Lord man, nowhere in my post did I even HINT at the fact that I think a Cocker has some sort of mystical advantage over a Mag! I know for a freaking fact they don't shoot farther! I know that the accuracy is exactly the same!

I also know that I preffered a Cocker over a Mag, and I kept my Mag as a backup gun in the unlikely event that my Cocker goes down. In my 6 months of using the Cocker, I haven't had to break the Mag out once (Except I was toying with the idea of using it this weekend, except it had a slight macroline leak that I was just a little too lazy to care about.)

I'm just saying this guy might actually like an Autococker better, after 9 years of using his Mag, maybe a change is welcome?

Heck, Slushee, do you really even have to sell the Mag? I did keep mine as a backup, after all...

(Hey Warped, I never actually bothered to count the parts on my Autococker. I've never had to take it apart for any reason)

[LoveMyMagMoreThanYou]

I've heard all the excuses that 'cocker guys give for their markers and I've also seen a whole days play wasted trying to get one tuned again. Not my 'mag! That's all I've got to say. If you want to argue against my experience, go ahead but your not going to change my experience. Sorry.

[LoveMyMagMoreThanYou]

If you want a laugh on this subject, check out www.air-powered.com 's thread called "starting to like mags". Should answer some questions about what cocker owners think on the subject.

[The JOE]

Holy freaking crap!
I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion!
I'm not even trying to start controversey!

I figured this guy was looking for some help in a decision of his. So then, noting that he already owned a Mag, I decided to help him with the Autococker side of things.

But both of you seem to miss a fundamental point - I OWN A MAG TOO! I purchased the Mag almost a year ago to date, and played the entire last year with it. I loved it, but eventually I decided that one high-end gun wasn't enough. So then I bought my (never-failing [so far]) Autococker.

And you know what? I don't care what anyone else thinks. Both of my aforementioned guns have VASTLY outperformed my Tippmann, and to tell you the truth, I really don't notice ANY performance difference between them. The thing is, I enjoy shooting the Cocker much more than I do the Mag.

Maybe someday in the distant future that will change when I decide to get around to fixing up the Mag, changing it from the standard tube-with-grips look (and my flame drop...) to something that is truly a work of art.
Maybe.
Until then I'm going to shoot my Autococker and love it.

(Somehow I feel as though this thread has been hijacked... and is rapidly degrading.)