Not really sure if this would be the appropriate place for it but here goes.
Does one exist or has anyone ever thought about offering AO/AGD gun mats?
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Not really sure if this would be the appropriate place for it but here goes.
Does one exist or has anyone ever thought about offering AO/AGD gun mats?
that would be sweet!
with a big 'ol Mustache....haha...oh hells yeah!!!:rofl:
ill buy one or two
Thats a pretty sweet idea, a nice 18x18 would fit perfect on my little work area.
How big are they usually made by the way?
The ones I have handy are roughly 12.5"x16", 12"x19.5" and 16"x24".
I would buy an AGD one.
I'd buy a couple myself... now we just need someone to figure out how to produce some.
I actually contacted http://www.tekmat.com/ in early Feb about this. They do do custom mat and my guess was that there would be probably enough interest to sell about 40. It would run $30 bucks to brake even, wasn't looking to make a profit I just want a mat too.
I liked the idea of having an exploded x-valve diagram, an o-ring call out that was to scale, some AO "circle hex" / AGD branding. Maybe some level 10 diagrams.
I started playing around with a template but I need some one that knows more about the graphic file type required by the company. I was basically grabbing tech images from the AGD page and inserting them in power point as a proof of concept.
The info i received back from tekmat was
They have two standard sizes 12" x 36" (long gun), 11" x 17" (hand gun)
Design file type should be "Vector Al" or "EPS" this means nothing to me at this point and I did not research it further.
Obviously we would need permission from AGD before doing anything final but if anyone has some graphic skills and wanted to work with me I wouldn't mind pursuing this further.
Interesting idea ;)
I would be interested in one.
I would take one. The exploded view of valves and O-ring diagram/chart are great ideas. Would be cool to tie into the graphics that we have here on AO now...
I'd rock one of these. At home and work:p
Need someone familiar with illustrator to set up the images.
forget it.:nono: with most of the talk going on around here lately, people would want it made out of aluminium so they can have it anno'd to match their guns but still retain the classic look. :rolleyes:
i don't need the diagram, but a compartment or 2 to keep things from rolling around or off the mat would be useful, if you can even do this from this company.
lol. sounds like someone has been burned by the hot topics around here...
With the size of the mats it would be quite possible to have all of those choices... it would be interesting to have a couple of different choices of what is on the mats.
This. If you get this done so the design along it is a bit larger than to scale view for an x valve with level 10 then put me down for a definite yes. I would pay in full ASAP for this. All I want is a hi-def large and easy to see mat of the Xvalve lay out. Would make replacing orings and parts be so much easier. I seriously cannot explain how much I want one of these. Could somebody please get a pre-order of some sort going for this soon? Would pay more if I could get it large enough to also show a classic valve with Level 7
I'd get one for sure. ESPECIALLY with an X-Valve / Level 10 diagram!
I like the Mat idea , I love AGD but for the money i'd just as soon get one of these ;
http://www.tekmat.com/index.php/bear-arms.html
Okay fellas, just through out an email to TK consenting him about copyright permission for having the mats made. Dont want to get in trouble for copyright infringement by the man we all worship :D
Okay guys here is the deal. I just got a response on the email from TK a few minutes ago. This was his response.
"Sure you have my permission. Please send me one, I will pay for it.
Tom"
:D:D:D:D:D Lets get this thing going guys!!! I simply made sure we were clear for copyright permission. It would be best if somebody else could responsibly handle this. PM's are being sent out to those who seemed like they would orchestrate this thing. I really want to get this thing going, lets keep our fingers crossed and hope to get a pre-order list of some sort going some time soon!
you know if there is room, what about on each corner of the mat you put the AGD lions, xmag, minimag and sidearm.
I just suggested that the priority mat we should get done would have the X-valve exploded view come first with a larger than to scale view to properly identify each O-ring. If we have room then on the top we have the double lions logo with quality always shoots straight. and then around the sides we should have an AO color scheme which I was thinking would be yellow and black stripes. I want to get a new thread/discussion going on what the majority of people would agree on for the design. Design in general will have to be built around the X-valve exploded view though.
I was also thinking if we have a good run on the first one, then we could possibly try for a similar one with the classic valve with level 7 instead.
Lets get this going people!:bounce:
I was disinterested until you guys started kicking around the idea of technical diagrams on the mat. I think that's a great idea.
If you need to save space, I'd say ditch the logo stuff and just go with the technicals. Classic+X-valve+L10 bolt parts.
If we can somehow get both done on the same mat that would be awesome. I want them both to be a good deal larger than to scale so each and every O-ring can be easily recognized. If we can somehow get that done then that will obviously over-rule the idea of simply having logos and such on it. But if we cant fit both on their comfortably without closely jumbling all of them together then we will use the logos, colors, etc.. to fill up the space. But yes Goat Boy, if we can do that it will be our first pick (I hope as I cannot officially speak as "we" yet). Main priority is getting an exploded X-valve on their right now, Next priority will be attempting to comfortably fit the Classic valve on their as well. The third and final priority will be getting it to look good and try and slap a logo on their.
Wait a second... Idea just popped up in my head. We ditch the side logos/decorations in general no matter what and try and throw in another technical of a ULT in their. I am just LOVING this right now. my dream mat would be if we could somehow (most likely not gonna happen) get both X-valve and Classic valves with both the Level 10 and Level 7 in their AND throw an exploded view of the ULT in the side, AND somehow throw the AGD "Quality Always Shoots Straight" logo on the top. Technical's will come before the decorations though.
We need someone that knows illustrator to start putting together the basic layout. I could possibly find someone to help with that if nobody on the forum knows the program. Illustrator is the program that is capable of saving to the formats.
As for what to put on it. A mat that is 12x36 would most likely be able to fit everything people have suggested. Put the exploded diagrams on the two far ends. Oring chart in middle, or slighlty off center. You could have a large AO/AGD logo in the middle and probably still have something else slightly offcenter to balance the oring chart. The AGD quote can go across the top as well, "Quality Always Shoots Straight"
12x36 is kind of an awkward size.... I was thinking this mat would resemble something like a "bar" mat, like 18x18 or 18x24?
I think you could easily explode the valves like this.
Top left, x valve. Bottom right, classic. Top right 6x6 or so logo. Bottom left ult and o ring diagram (since they'd be considerably smaller diagrams)
Just another thought.
I know personally my work space wouldn't support a 3' wide mat. I dunno if anyone else would have the same problem?
I was hoping for a high Def version of this https://www.automags.org/forums/showt...xploded-(Here). Minus the Level 7, Title (excess surroundings), and I would feel like 24-29 would not be needed or included. and then if we could get somebody (cough cough bunny? cough cough) to make a similar exploded view of the classic valve with the Level 7 and maybe finish up a nice job of a ULT exploded for the side. Both valves would be in a center panel. I have no experience whatsoever with graphic and technological designs on a computer. Would be great if we could get somebody who does with a decent amount of free time to help us out here. Remember that it would have to be a slightly larger than to scale depiction of everything.
Doh, forgot about the ULT. Probably a good idea there as well.
As far as software, Illustrator isn't the only game in town. Inkscape is free and pretty good as well.
Did I mention it was free?
Obviously i just whipped this up super quick with images from the net, but I thought this basic design, just refined would be pretty neat... and add ULT in dead space, or swap around ULT space and lvl x etc
This would also work well on a taller size mat, the valve images could be huge like this... you could also get the LVL x stuff taken out of the x valve picture, that would open up more room to make the image bigger, plus not look so cluttered with 4 different bolt images and break downs....
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...ps76133e96.png
i thought there was a request to have the lvl 10 stuff in a larger seperate diagram as well? simple enough though... I also could not find a ult diagram, I think because its so small (ult) you could do the diagram and o ring guide in the same area of the mat, it could be like a 7" tall may 8-9" wide space in real perspective... definately large enough to do ult and o ring sizes to keep the logo. I mean without agd we'd have no guns to make mats for ;)
imagine IF this mat could be done in an 18" tall by 24" wide size, and the logo was only 4x4, those would be HUUUUUUUGGGGGGEEEEE valve pictures, like 8 tall x 17 wide, or even bigger
hows about this, I made the valves a little larger in size and just allocated the space, since I cant find pics for the other things... but like I said, this is just a general layout. I figure the ULT space can go up the side cuz its just a few small parts in a row and doesnt need a ton of space or to be monsterous in size, the size allocated you could make it about 8x larger than real life when its all exploded out up the side.
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...pse43ee090.png
Or this would give more room for all three, then you could do o rings from small to large with size # under it
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...psf3f807f1.png
I agree 12 x 36 is an awkward size and they were more expensive than the 11 x 17.
I am going to talk to a couple of graphics people i know today at work and get some advice.
Like I mentioned I already got some basic info from tekmat and don't mind stepping up and taking the lead. If I do it, I want to make sure I run it well. I have seen to many pre-sales here end in disaster. I was thinking going the kickstarter route, but need to read up on the process.
I would take the ideas here and draw up 2-3 protoype layouts and put it to a vote before any money was accepted.
Not trying to steal anyone thunder so if some wants to lead this than by all means do it. But it would look rather poor if all of sudden 10 people started bombarding the manufacturer with questions.
I love this idea. I had recently been shopping around for tech mats. 11x17 is a good size that's like two standard (8.5x11) sheets of paper, side by side (if you need want an easy way to size it up). I think that's plenty of room for what you're talking about putting on there. One of the mats I was looking at had the 1:1 scale Oring size chart along the left border of the mat. I think that was on one of Kohn's mats. We could do something similar, maybe xvalve orings across the top and classic across the bottom. If we could find the exploded view images without the gradient background (I thought I saw those at one point), we could put a faded AGD logo as the background, leaving more room on the mat for the tech diagrams.
The other problem is finding a high Res image to be able to blow up without distortion.
I was thinking if someone did a 3D cad file of each item wanted it would work out best, leave out numbers etc and just plain white background. But I know that's a lot of work. Maybe the guy that steps up and can do it gets a mat paid for by everyone else ;)
Okay just to throw this out there. If anybody disagrees with me then we can still keep them but could we just get rid of the 21-26? The back reg nuts and all that for both the classic and X-valve? Just to save space and I mean how often do we actually need to open those up? Much less put them back together.
Now as for the ULT and making a more refined image. We will need somebody who has plenty of experience with graphics design and we can use this project as an excuse to update and make a much larger, higher resolution image. I do not believe any ULT diagrams are out there so I feel that we will have to make one ourselves. I have absolutely NO experience with graphic design as I said before. But I believe our first step in this would be to get (or make) very high quality images that we could use. I feel this should be our first obstacle to overcome. Next I believe we start a new thread or two to attempt to gain more attention on this. Maybe we should make a pre-order list of some sort in the dealer forum consisting of people who are 100% interested. Once we get a good tally up to the point of which we need we should give it a few days for anybody that wants to join in and then we should order it.
Now as for size. My personal preference would be long gun as I have a large enough work space to support a mat this size and I was thinking the more room we have the easier it is for us to fit everything. If the majority say they want the smaller one instead then we will get a smaller one. Now if we could mix and match our sizes for the mats then that would be GREAT, we should try and work on that as the larger it is the more ease of use I will have with it.
I kind of disagree on taking pieces from the diagram out, kind of defeats the purpose... you don't buy a manual for a car that's missing the wiring diagrams do you?
There will always be negative unused space on something like this, the pieces proposed to leave out wouldn't really make a difference in being able to make the image much higher anyhow, they'd be there more to take up negative space. Imagine the images above on two sheets of paper put together
Eh. I see your point of view. I guess not then. Just another idea that spawned in my head. Because I mean how often does anybody actually need to take the back half apart? But yeah I guess we might as well keep it. I just wanted an opinion if we needed to get some space.