sounds like a dream pump mag frame to me...Quote:
Originally Posted by luke
with what you have planned so far, count me in for at least 2... :headbang:
sounds like a dream pump mag frame to me...Quote:
Originally Posted by luke
with what you have planned so far, count me in for at least 2... :headbang:
your current assessment would make me a happy customer.
Short 90 degree with Intelliframe (or your own double) trigger for me.
If you make it a single trigger you will likely be limiting your sales to those building pumps.
If you make it a double trigger everyone can use it, not just pump players.
Unless you are making two versions.
Just saying.
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I agree that a double trigger will most likely apeal to more players, but personally I would be out since I AM wanting it for a pump. Already have 3 vert doublt frames. Dont need another.Quote:
Originally Posted by going_home
I'm good with it. as long as those requesting it to be "pneu friendly" are as well. I would think some would find it pointless to make it pneu compatible and not sleeper capable. I could be totally off base. I personally don't care if it's pneu friendly.Quote:
Originally Posted by luke
It will be imposable and/or very uncomfortable to do a double trigger on a short body 90*
I can't stand a Sub compact grip and it will basically be the same for this. Remember you have to take into consideration of the ASA and what not. Half your hand will be on or over it.
I'm good with the proposed idea as well. Don't really mind not being able to make it a sleeper. What attracts me the most in this is the possibility of making it EP, rather than pure pneu.
i would be pumped if you just offered CCM 86* frame milling services for mags... then you wouldnt have to develop an entire product :P
This is what a lot of people have requested of me.
http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/a...g/106_1297.jpg
http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/a...g/106_1298.jpg
I will send it in for you to get measurements of of. :D
I see no reason this would not work with eyes and a pump kit or go with only pneumatic parts and not EP.
While its nice for what you have it for, I would not be interested in a production version of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by hill160881
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*I love seeing the regulator sticking off the front of an ASA.
Cant think of anything worse looking? A nice lpr foregrip for the win if u want some cad files for a finished version of one let me know :)
I think that AO has spoken more than once that a gas through LPR for grip would sell if the price was right. I would buy one.
Ditto on that hills
Hiding the LPR on an EP or Pneumag conversion is a must in my book. I only went with external LPR on my own Egomag because there wasn't much alternative at the time.
I'm also really fussy about minimising external hose runs where possible. Seen plenty of nice EP conversions spoiled by messy hosing and LPR installations
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Originally Posted by going_home
One way or another there would for sure be a double trigger frame because that is what I want for myself. ;)
I'm not sure when “Pneumag” became synonymous with “Sleeper Pneumag”. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by OPBN
But if it is possible to have the option of stuffing a Micro Reg in there I will, however like I said, it will not dictate the design, or not much.
Adding mounting points for various parts is not big deal over all and won’t significantly affect the over all price. Having a universal platform will help sales, not only for me but on the resale end too.
Part of this idea is for my benefit as much as the customers, not in terms of sales but more of a “low inventory” issue. ;)
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Originally Posted by sQuidvision
In general there is FAR less money to be made in modifying parts because of the time it takes to setup to do the work. In the end it’s much easier to setup and do a run of 50 parts than it would be to do 10 individual modification jobs. I know it is difficult to grasp that idea if you have never done machining work or any type of production in any industry but it is true. Production always rules over single part production. :)
Even with that said I'm still currently a "service shop" If you have a project contact me through PM and we can talk. ;)
I don’t think Hill was pooping on the idea; he is just making a point that there can be a lot done with the smaller grip platform. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by OPBN
Yes sir, and the smaller frame would be easier to do the cad work on. Especially if I send in the prototype. One could almost do both designs. :dance: Only kidding,,,,,,,,,,,sort of.
I had no idea! If it's less profitable then it sounds like you are on the right path anyhow for a product I would be interested In. Subscribed!Quote:
Originally Posted by luke
A question for the guys that have built Pneumags, is the Fabco-Air MSV-2 used over the Clippard SMAV-3 because it is easier to mount or is it performance? If I recall correctly when these conversions were first being done guys were using the SMAV-3. This may be a chance to design a frame with the SMAV-3 in mind. I believe these take less force to activate…
Ah, in that case nevermind about the modular trigger guard:)Quote:
Originally Posted by luke
The fabcos take less activation pressure but they are more easier to short stroke than the clippard
Wow Luke way to keep coming up with ways to get me to send you money, as it is I'm going to be sending another body into you.
If you did do the modular 86* I would be down for two frames. Otherwise I would be down for 1 double trigger frame... Be perfect for a gun I'm building to give it a bit of sizzle
I may have come up with a great idea for this frame if we end up going with a detachable trigger guard. It’s something that has never been do-able on a Mag frame and something that DYI guys have always had to work around one way or another, I think it warrants the effort to design a modular frame. I have just about collected my thoughts on the design that I would like to pursue, so if you have any more input lets here it before I start on the CAD. :cool:
If you do a frame with a detachable trigger guard (conversion from single to double), please consider making an option of having a .45 frame. There's a lot of people who have been asking for a 90* or 86* frame, but the standard .45 frame will still draw a lot of buyers.
Why not just do the front part of the frame taller and then make it compatible with Tippmann trigger guards? Is it really that hard to do?Quote:
Originally Posted by luke
Also, there was the old Boo-Yaah (I think that's how you spell it) electronic frame that had a removable trigger guard some good 15 years ago. You could mimic that one too.
A third option would be to make it as the Intimidator frames, which also allowed for replacing the trigger guard.
Although I like the first idea better as one could have a lot of options currently in the market for trigger frames.
With the differing opinions on grip geometries, why not consider making the grip modular like a phantom? Modular trigger guard and grip would be ridiculously awesome. Might have to limit that to mech-only though, but not necessarily.
Link/Picture? :)Quote:
Why not just do the front part of the frame taller and then make it compatible with Tippmann trigger guards? Is it really that hard to do?
Link/Picture? :)Quote:
Also, there was the old Boo-Yaah (I think that's how you spell it) electronic frame that had a removable trigger guard some good 15 years ago. You could mimic that one too.
lol, Link/Picture? ;)Quote:
A third option would be to make it as the Intimidator frames, which also allowed for replacing the trigger guard.
Need some links to the parts you guys are referring to...Quote:
Originally Posted by splat15k
The problem with using Tippmann trigger guards is they are based on a clamshell design. Also, I think the only trigger guards available for them are plastic.
I wont go with anything plastic.
Most likely I'll end up making them anyway...
I happen to have an A5 frame laying around. The frame is actually three sections. A left half, right half and trigger guard. There are tabs on each end of the trigger gaurd that either are held in with screws or are just held in place by the frame halves:
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/n...A5frame002.jpg
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/n...A5frame001.jpg
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/n...A5frame003.jpg
That wont work on this deal.
Thanks for the picture.
I didn't know these are Clamshells. Anyways, you could do something like this as well:
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...iggerguard.jpg
And then all you would need would be a couple pins to hold it in place. You could either use a small screw or a pin like the ones we have for the trigger.
PS: I know my drawing sucks, to say the least but I only have Paint here and I wanted to give a brief idea only. :D
This is basically what they do with the AR15/M16 platform of firearms. The trigger guard is held in place with 2 pins. Now...with that in mind you would have open holes where the guard would go if you set the frame up for a cangeable guard between single finger and double finger system. Some won't mind that, some won't like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mpsd
It depends, actually. All you need would be a design to have the double trigger one fit in the same hole as the single one. A "U" shaped one could do it quite well and easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by wetwrks
Yeah, most Tippys are clamshell. On the 98, the whole marker is a clamshell. On the A5, Phenom and X7 the frame is removable, but still clamshell.Quote:
Originally Posted by mpsd
I had thought the same thing though MPSD about having loops or something on either end.
I have a pretty clean idea in mind to attach the trigger guard but will have to do the CAD to make sure it will work. I'm going to give this thread a few more days then I'll get busy.
here's a booyah.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y20...4221365935.jpg
dont know how it attatches but i'm sure an allen set screw would work
That looks like a manufacturing strategy to save money on materials.