Is there an advantage to cheating at paintball?

[Torbo]

in most cases it is worth it. Say for example youre very down on numbers, say 1 on 3. You get hit and wipe it. Thats a 3 for 1 if you get caught. If you suceed, then theres a second life in a desperate situation. If you get caught, you lose the game, which would happen if you didnt wipe it. If a person is good at cheating (flame me if you want, but its true) then it would be worth it to cheat.

The nppl has made gun cheats not usefull. To disqualify a team for a bouncing gun is brutal. I think teams are going to think hard about their guns now. That might be an over kill tho. I would say some bounce should result in a 0 for that game, and blatent ramping would be disqualification.

[flyinasian016]

Yes theres an advantage to cheating during tournaments:
Ramping/Bounce - Solid string of ~17bps, you're not going to run through 1-2 strings of it without getting hit. Meaning you shoot more people off break.
Wiping - Stay in the game longer, put more pressure on the other team, get more kills.

But during rec play, thers no excuse for cheating
Ramping/Bouncing boards - During rec play its most of the people's first or second time out, they dont want to get nailed 10-15 times by some ******* whos gun bounces. It makes the sport looked down upon.
Wiping - encourages the new guys to do it to because they see the more experienced poeple doing it so it must be ok. It kills the point of rec play.

I personally feel, that during a large tournament, its almost ok to cheat. you have a lot on the line. Winning, gaining more sponsors, getting recognized, getting prizes(good prizes at that). But during rec play, theres absolutely NO reason to cheat.

[LudavicoSoldier]

I personally feel, that during a large tournament, its almost ok to cheat. you have a lot on the line. Winning, gaining more sponsors, getting recognized, getting prizes(good prizes at that). But during rec play, theres absolutely NO reason to cheat.

The big question here is, do cheaters deserve to get recognized as winners, or win prizes? Rewarding rule breaking is cool right? I mean it must be; everyone else is doing it, so its ok, right?

Why cant people just play by the FREAKING RULES!? Is it really that hard? If you have to break the rules to win, you dont deserve to walk away with anything but a disqualification.

[AGD]

[Duck Hunt]

This is a nail, *shows you a nail*

This is a hammer * shows you a hammer*

This is Tom hitting the nail RIGHT ON THE NOSE.

Thank you Tom....


GImmie my hammer back.

Sean

[rpm07]

I am getting sick of all this crap about cheating. In any sport you are going to get it.

Watch a NFL game they hold, you have Pass Interference and all other penalties.
Body Building they take anything they can to make them selfs bigger
Nascar they confinscate parts all the time.
Baseball you have pine tar, spit balls and so on
Soccer guys are getting tripped all the time
I can go on and on
If you break a rule to help you out in a game you are cheating. So it is going to happen and there is nothing anyone can do about it. So for the people that keep complaining about it dont play.

[Fallout-]

I think the fields benifit from cheating. If they dident you would be DQ from every turny for wipping. Peopel wont come back if you do that. cheating is something you have to deal with.
BTW get better and make some more movies

[Kevmaster]

The big question here is, do cheaters deserve to get recognized as winners, or win prizes? Rewarding rule breaking is cool right? I mean it must be; everyone else is doing it, so its ok, right?

Why cant people just play by the FREAKING RULES!? Is it really that hard? If you have to break the rules to win, you dont deserve to walk away with anything but a disqualification.

of course you reward the cheaters with a first place, if they finish first!!

if they A) get away with it or B) win in spite of getting caught, they most certainly deserve to get the win over a team that didn't cheat. thats just how it works.

heres the process for teaching rookies how to play football:
1) teach them the rules
2) teach them how to break them without getting caught
3) teach them the game


its how it works! Cheating is NOT to be frowned upon as something unholy and sinful.
I must say however, cheating is NOT to be confused with poor sportsmanship/abuse/attitude.

[CoolHand]

. . . . .Nascar they confinscate parts all the time. . . . .

Yeah, but really, there are many differing degrees of cheating. I have about a decade of experience in stock cars, so I can better relate the differing severities to paintball (or at least I'm gonna try).

You said they confiscate parts all the time. True, but along with that, depending on what it was, the team will loose season long points, and the guy in charge (usually the crew chief) will be fined a **** ton of money (on the order of $10k - $50k). I would relate this to gun cheats in PB. You get caught, your marker sets the game out, etc., etc.

Now, if you intentionally crash a guy, and the officials are reasonably sure of it, then you are in the sling big time. At the very least, they'll park you for a couple of laps. If you go back out and lay the bumper to another guy on purpose, they'll park you for the rest of the race, and likely pull your score card (effectively disqualifing you), meaning you accrue no points, and take home no prize money. I'd relate this kind of cheating to wiping. The afore mentioned infraction on the race track garners a BIG penalty, but PB does not have an equivalent. I'd say therin lies our problem.

If you just got fined for murdering someone, then there'd be a lot more people who'd do it. I, for one, have a list that is waiting for just such an occassion (That's a joke, all you serious people put your flame throwers down ). The trouble is, that most folks now a days don't not kill people because its wrong, they don't kill people because the cops will put them in jail. Its not a question of morality for them, its a fear of reprecussions.

Now, on a less henious level, people who cheat at PB are applying the same logic, but in this case, the fear is so much less that the decide that its OK to go ahead and cheat.

There needs to be a downside. Until there is, you won't ever see a decline in this kind of behavior.

And Tom, I've heard the same argument applied to auto racing, but I defy anyone who's never been in the cockpit of a race car to jump right in and turn a fast lap.

The fact of the matter is that PB, when played properly (that is, to win by superior tactics and marksmanship), is just as much of a sport as soccer or football or whatever. However, what we have now is not a sport. I'm not sure what you'd call it really.

[justjoshin590]

and for the second time tom has said something to make me lose hope in paintball all together, i just dont know tom, is that really your outlook on paintball altogether? not a game, just a lifestyle with the allusion of being a sport? if so i dont know how you can stand to even be part of it
-josh

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

cheating is now part of the game. deal with it.
evolve or die

[CoolHand]

cheating is now part of the game. deal with it.
evolve or die

OR

Go play some place that it isn't.

The last place I reffed at, we used to eject people who cheated. Literally. It said right on the waiver that if we caught you cheating, or playing in an unsportsmanlike way, we could eject you from the field, and not refund your field fee.

I (personally) only ever tossed one guy. I refunded his field fee out of pocket, and told him to take a hike. The ***clown bunkered a 10 yr old kid not 5 mins after the safety talk, where I expressly told the older guys not to go heels on the kids. It took every bit of restraint I had not to beat him down with his own marker.

To tell you the truth, we didn't used to have that much of a problem with cheating. Wiping wasn't even thought of, and the gun cheats hadn't been thought up yet (or hadn't trickled down yet).

The only people we ever had trouble with were the random "Pros" (I use that term loosely ) that would show up on ocassion. One of my buds told a "Pro" to go home for overshooting and playing on. The guy got all puffy and started blowing about how he'd been on the cover of APG. :rofl: I'd never heard of him before, but his self appointed "Pro" status didn't keep him from going home early.

[Target Practice]

I think one advantage that has been overlooked is the psycological advantage gained by a cheating player/team.

When a player or a team cheats, and the opposition knows it, chances are the opposition is going to frustrated. This effect will be magnified if the cheating goes unpunished. With this frustration comes uncoordination, distraction, and decreased performance.

That's how I see it, anyway.

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

I (personally) only ever tossed one guy. I refunded his field fee out of pocket, and told him to take a hike. The assclown bunkered a 10 yr old kid not 5 mins after the safety talk, where I expressly told the older guys not to go heels on the kids. It took every bit of restraint I had not to beat him down with his own marker.

I was thinking in a different mindset. I was referring to tournaments not regular open play. But a guy bunkering a 10year old kid is just absolutely wrong...with few exceptions

[Tyger]

cheating is now part of the game. deal with it.
evolve or die

I'll keep that in mind when you're on the opposing team.

-Tyger