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    Official Deadlywind hAir trigger update

    Sorry to keep everyone waiting, but here is an update on our hAir trigger
    product.

    As some of you have heard, our progress has been slowed by some legal
    hurdles. The problem we ran into is that Pro-Team Products was recently
    granted a patent on assisted trigger mechanisms for paintball markers.
    Pro-Team insists that we are infringing this patent, and although we
    disagree with them, we have tried to cooperate so we can get the product
    released. We've been advised that our remaining options are expensive ones,
    and since we have already overspent resources in the development of this
    product, we have decided to shelve it for now and focus on our other
    projects.

    Again, we apologize for keeping everyone waiting on this. We do hope to revive this in the future, either when we can again justify allocating resources, or once we form partnerships that enable us to do so.

    Colin Moritz
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    awwwwww man...so is proteams going to release there verson of the hAir?
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    Sorry to hear that. I assume that the patent application was denied?


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    Quote Originally Posted by hitech
    Sorry to hear that. I assume that the patent application was denied?
    Yes, obviously, since one very similiar was already issued to PTP.

    Well, hopefully now something can hit the market. While it sucks for Colin and DW, the consumer won't care, because their slow gun will now go fast.

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    aaaaaawwww
    This was gonna be my reason to save for a mag.
    well, good luck on the other projects!
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    ..

    I have been expecting this sort of news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barrel break
    aaaaaawwww
    This was gonna be my reason to save for a mag.
    well, good luck on the other projects!
    Duh, you can get the PTP one when released!

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    I called PTP this last summer to see if there was any Micro Emags left. They said, " to check back in '05 for a revised version". I guess they really have something going. Sorry to here the hAir isn't coming out anytime soon. Alot of people really wanted to have it.

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    You said its a financial issue...couldnt you have all the people who want them, pay for them...then make them, and ship them off...and hopfully you are making profit (lets hope you make profit off this invention). Start producing and advertising. Sound good ?

    Well...im sad now...so

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicad
    The problem we ran into is that Pro-Team Products was recently
    granted a patent on assisted trigger mechanisms for paintball markers.
    Given the number of guns with pneumatic triggers in the 90s, as well as all the guns modified to have pneumatic triggers in the 90s (ie reversed cockers), the PTP patent seems to be about as valid as.... that guy who managed to patent the AGD "powerfeed" a few years ago.

    It has all been done. Hard to see what legal standing PTP has, other then holding an obviously illegitimate patent.

    But, the sad thruth has become NOT who is "right" but who has the most legal muscle to make demands. Paintball has truely reached the status of "rotten to the core".

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    Jinxed -- "Paintball has truely reached the status of "rotten to the core".

    so what your saying is that it's just like every over industry in the world
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    J storm,

    Yes, it would. Patents confer the right to prevent others from making, distributing, etc the product.

    That includes: copying it directly and selling it, making your own 'just for personal use', modifying something else into a form that infringes or selling components that, when assembled, infringe.

    On the 'pneumatic triggers'; yes, yes, yes, there were plenty of guns that used pneumatic triggers; all of them were examined and discussed prior to filing the application, none of them are 'prior art' for the PTP patent.

    I know that facts and reality can be annoying and that we often try to ignore them, but they're there nonetheless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rabidchihauhau
    That includes: ...making your own 'just for personal use'...
    I do not believe you are correct. As I understand it you can sue for damages. What damages are there? I do not believe there has EVER been a successfull lawsuit against someone for making a patented product for their own use.

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    Hitech,

    here it is right from the patent office:


    a patent confers -

    “the right to exclude others from making, using, offering for sale, or selling” the invention in the United States or “importing” the invention into the United States"

    Note that there are separate listings for making, using and 'offering for sale'.

    This means that they are viewed as separate activities and are SPECIFICALLY and individually covered.

    That means, it doesn't matter whether your intent is to market the thing or not: you can not build one and stick it in a closet, you can't use one without permission (buying a licensed copy or one from the patent holder gives you the right to use it) and you can't make one for re-sale.

    I can assure you that if people were making enough of them for their own individual use, and it had enough impact on the marketplace, the patent holder would do everyone they could identify.

    If I were concerned about such a thing, I would post a scrutineer at every major event, after serving the promoter with notice that THEY would be held responsible for allowing infringing activity, unless they prevented any homemade versions from coming onto the grounds. I'd also have the right to seize each and every one of those guns.

    You're right on a small scale; but small scale of stolen property has a way of becoming big scale, and at that point things would begin to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitech
    I do not believe you are correct. As I understand it you can sue for damages. What damages are there? I do not believe there has EVER been a successfull lawsuit against someone for making a patented product for their own use.

    One reason for a clause like that is keep someone for "infringing with no intent to sell",then they sell you a pair of grips for $200 and throw in a free grip frame.

    An action such as that would create similar 'damages' as any more obvious infringments and therefore is not exempt from the Patents protections.

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    Looking at deadly winds site; is the hAir trigger dead? Its no longer listed in the products but it is mentioned on the main page and the video is still available. Hope to see something like it someday. Any info would be appreciated.

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    Read the first page in this thread.

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    So is the hair trigger coming out for any marker? Or is it just patented to sit there unused?

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    this thread is soooo old. and i would say no
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    PTP has the pneumatic trigger system patented. This covers all guns. No, the hair will not come out at all. PTP is coming out with one soon though.
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    Our official updates can be found here:
    http://www.deadlywind.com/news.html
    The last update on the hAir was on 12/29/04.

    Thanks-
    Colin

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    Cool, a new R.A.I.L. system...
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