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    Quote Originally Posted by mustangii
    I know how that is. My local field has closed up. I'm driving 90 miles into Kansas Saterday to play.
    edm
    Eactly. It's 120 miles to the nearest field, and I'd have to play walk-on.

    I HATE playing walk-on. The kids are all super AGG, don't know their asses from a hole in the ground, and generally push me to the point of murder in 15 mins flat.

    Walk-on paintball isn't fun anymore, especially when you have to drive 120 miles to inflict it upon yourself.

    I've always said that I'll quit when it's not fun anymore, and now it's not fun anymore.

    But I don't have to play to still build cool stuff. Hell, even in my hay day, I played less than 25 times a year, and then when I went into business, I was lucky if I got on the field two or three times in a year. So it's not like things will change drastically from what they were three years ago.

    I'm getting to be out of touch with what paintball has become, but from what I've seen of it, that's not necessarily a bad thing . . . . . . .
    Ryan Shanks
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    I was invited to play at a paintball club, so it's not really walk on.

    http://www.freewebs.com/oskieops/index.htm

    Hope to have fun
    edm

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    Wink

    The point is, dont give up on paintball, and dont turn off the creative spigot .
    We (the AGD community) dont want to see an innovator go belly up on us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolHand
    Eactly. It's 120 miles to the nearest field, and I'd have to play walk-on.

    I HATE playing walk-on. The kids are all super AGG, don't know their asses from a hole in the ground, and generally push me to the point of murder in 15 mins flat.

    Walk-on paintball isn't fun anymore, especially when you have to drive 120 miles to inflict it upon yourself.

    I've always said that I'll quit when it's not fun anymore, and now it's not fun anymore.

    But I don't have to play to still build cool stuff. Hell, even in my hay day, I played less than 25 times a year, and then when I went into business, I was lucky if I got on the field two or three times in a year. So it's not like things will change drastically from what they were three years ago.

    I'm getting to be out of touch with what paintball has become, but from what I've seen of it, that's not necessarily a bad thing . . . . . . .
    i know that this is sort of a thread ressurection, but i just wanted to say that you should try outlaw ball. If you can find 7 of 8 other guys in the area, then you are set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanMan
    i know that this is sort of a thread ressurection, but i just wanted to say that you should try outlaw ball. If you can find 7 of 8 other guys in the area, then you are set.
    We always played outlaw.

    There hasn't been a field within a 2 hr drive of here for years.

    I used to have my own airball field, and I still have a high pressure air compressor.

    It's just that now, all the guys I used to play with have either moved out of state, or gotten married, or both, so no more paintball for them.

    I am the last of my breed around these parts.

    The implements, or lack thereof are not the problem.

    My friends were what made the game fun. When the friends are gone, the game isn't worth playing anymore.

    It is what it is.




    Since I'm here, might as well leave a short update:

    YDNA has the boards and has started his examination. No ETA yet, but he's working on them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolHand
    YDNA has the boards and has started his examination. No ETA yet, but he's working on them.
    Andy is a good guy,... and he does great work!

    I put my Ripper frame in a box and sent it to him,.... he's gonna work his magic!

    ~ P8nt
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    Hey Ryan, is it time for an update yet?

    What's the eta on the boards? Have you started the SULE rails?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilestyler
    Hey Ryan, is it time for an update yet?

    What's the eta on the boards? Have you started the SULE rails?
    I haven't heard anything from YDNA since the last update.

    I have the SULE rails programmed and the stock bought, but I still need to build a couple of fixtures, get the coolant basin on the CNC flushed out and refilled, and then pull, reset, and reload the required tools into the ATC.

    I'll poke YDNA and see how he's coming. I'll post again when I hear back from him.

    Have a good Christmas folks.


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    Update from YDNA:

    Quote Originally Posted by Excerpt from Email I got from YDNA on (12-20-08)
    . . . . . . Anyway here's the dealio. I scoped a couple of the boards out to see
    what type of volts were being sent to the solenoid...as I feared it's
    way to damn low to be useful. Clicking the little armature is about as
    much as it seems we'll get from these things, even in their altered
    state. There's no pulse like I wondered earlier, so really I don't know
    what the deal is with these boards.

    As a result it does indeed sound like an adapter board will need to be
    used. That'll stack things up another hundred bucks or thereabouts
    depending on the exact cost of the boards, but I always feared that
    would be the worst-case scenario so I really don't expect any other
    costs. THe only thing is the cost for the componets individually, which
    will probably be between $5-10 per adapter.

    Ever since I received the package I've been thinking about how to do
    this, so I have a lot of ideas, and it will actually work out pretty
    good. I'll list the specifics later once I've definitively figured out
    the circuit.
    The adapter boards will take 2-3 weeks to produce so I'd ideally like to
    send their order out right now, but I really really shouldn't do that
    before finalizing the circuit. So what I have to do first is order some
    test components and make a prototype of the adapter using components
    attached with wires. Then hook that up to one of the boards to make sure
    it works, then at that point I can send out the order for the actual
    board itself.
    I'll order the components immediately and they'll be here within a few
    days, and I'll whip some stuff together and let know you what comes of it!
    There it is folks.

    I did not, in fact, imagine the profound broke-assedness of these boards. Vindication at last!

    Looks like after the first of the year for sure before I'll have the boards back.

    At least we've got an update, and things are moving along.

    Have a good Christmas.


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    Coolhand, Im not involved in this order, but iv been keeping track of this thread ever since I joined AO. I just want to give you props for sticking with this through all the rough patches. and i cant wait to see the final product in peoples hands. I hope this isnt the last thing you produce either, now that you have a cnc up and running! AO is lucky to have someone as dedicated as you.
    cheers
    And Merry Christmas!

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    Another update from YDNA:

    Quote Originally Posted by Exerpt from YDNA Email
    Well, components have yet to arrive....but I've been dinking around with
    the boards a little more. I'm now less concerned with the voltage
    amounts and more with the current...although I'm virtually sure the
    problem is indeed with the Chaos transistor. My current thought (har
    har) is that the Chaos transistor is too small to provide enough
    current, and upwardsly enough power. It's physically pretty small which
    doesn't usually make any difference, but I wouldn't be surprised if that
    were the case here.
    One of the reasons I think this is because the board seems to operate
    the other low-power solenoids decently. It doesn't seem to have any
    trouble until I hook up a large resistance coil, such as some 4.2 watt
    MAC solenoids I have here, a large Parker solenoid for industrial use,
    etc. The Chaos doesn't seem to have much trouble with many
    indirect-acting solenoids, only these big direct acting ones.

    There's also this odd issue of the Chaos transistor leaking power to
    through the circuit while it's idle/off. All transistors leak a small
    amount, just like how all capacitors leak some energy, but in this case
    I was able to measure the amount of power passing through as being
    almost 0.4 volts. I'm not an expert on these things bit it's weird to
    see a 0.4 spike pop up every 2 milliseconds then go back down to
    0...repeat over and over. It's possible to be some kind of feedback
    being produced by my scope, but I don't think so....hmmm

    Anyway, the components I chose are very large and will hopefully provide
    enough juice to be useful. I found a startlingly huge transistor which I
    hope will function okay, but I admit I'm weary since it's made for audio
    applications and might not work as good unless there's a whole circuit
    built for it. We'll see....the fallback transistor I selected is rated
    to 50 volts at 2.4 amps, and my diode is good to similar amounts,
    although I'm trying to find a bigger one just in case. For reference the
    Morlock's transistors are 30 volts at 4.6 amps, which is certainly large
    enough to power anything used in a patinball marker...hopefully some of
    that is overkill.
    The ***** of it is even though these components are tenfold what we need
    on paper, in reality it'll be a different situation. I'm sure the Chaos
    transistor is "rated" to more than these solenoids require, too. Just
    with a smaller gap between the solenoid requirement and the transistor
    rating.

    Enough of that. I'll let you know when something more exciting starts...
    Just thought I'd post that.

    Merry Christmas folks.


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    OK guys, I have to make an announcement.

    When this all started, I told you I would not take on any new PB related projects or sell any of the UEF parts kits until I had delivered your markers and frame kits, and I have kept my word to this point.

    However, things are getting very slow in engineering town, and if I am going to be able to continue spending money on this project (to say nothing of paying my mortgage and student loans), I am going to need to generate a revenue stream from somewhere.

    To that end, I will be releasing a few new PB projects (Automag related to be sure, and you UEF guys will be happy too I think, keep your eyes peeled for the next several days), as well as some non-PB related stuff, and taking on custom work and such as it comes. I will also be posting up for sale the other 8 or 9 UEF parts kits, unassembled and unanodized, with boards to follow as soon as YDNA gets them sorted out.

    I really didn't want to break my word to you guys on this front, but something has to give, and I figured you'd rather me take more work than let this project stall out so close to the end. Plus I gotta eat and keep the bankers at bay, so I've gotta go ahead with these plans, even if it ruffles a few feathers.

    I'm hoping you guys will understand.


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    You've been up front and honest with all of us to this point. I think most of us would agree that if you need to take on more work to keep things moving along (including eating and paying the bills) then take on the work. We have been waiting patiently, we are so close to the end, and right now its out of your hands anyways. Do what you need to. I for one am not giving up on this project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fshrmn76
    . . . . . .I for one am not giving up on this project. . . . .
    That is a wise choice.

    YDNA sent along a very long update this evening, which I won't post in its entirety because it is very long and somewhat rambling, but suffice to say that he's got a design fleshed out, modeled, the parts sourced, and some even bought.

    He's working very fast, but still taking enough time to think it over from every angle before he strikes.

    He sent these solid models to show what he's planning to do:





    The green is the Chaos board, and the blue is the intermediate board he's building to fix the crappy design of the Chaos and make the whole gizzmo work like it oughta.

    It's looking very good from this end.

    I don't know how long board fabrication and assembly is going to take, but at least we can see that he's making good progress.

    I really wish I'd called him a year ago. We'd have been done with it for months now.

    Sorry guys, you know what they say about hind sight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fshrmn76
    You've been up front and honest with all of us to this point. I think most of us would agree that if you need to take on more work to keep things moving along (including eating and paying the bills) then take on the work. We have been waiting patiently, we are so close to the end, and right now its out of your hands anyways. Do what you need to. I for one am not giving up on this project.

    Ditto

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    Why don't you reconsider doing the eye installs and charge for that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilestyler
    Why don't you reconsider doing the eye installs and charge for that?
    Well, honestly, I still owe that to the full marker guys anyway.

    If I can figure out an elegant solution to the eye covers, you all will be the first to know.

    I will be working on this, but I've got a couple of things in the queue ahead of it.

    Hang in there, I think you'll like the first round in the magazine.


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    spot for sale

    i am selling my spot in line for the bolt on frame. I was selling it earlier on, but I decided to hold out in the end, but have come to terms that I most likely will not PB anymore, in the sense of play that i was doing 3 years ago. I do also have a whole emag that may be negotiated for purchase separately.

    $495 to the first person to contact me unless i don't like you. that's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTspag
    . . .$495 to the first person to contact me unless i don't like you. . . . .
    That last part made me

    Sorry to see you go, but I can so relate.


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    I'll buy your spot!

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    Here's the latest from YDNA:

    Quote Originally Posted by Email from YDNA
    Sorry for the lack of communication lately...things have been thick around here. I was just about to e-mail you about these delays...we're a little behind schedule right now since I haven't ordered the PCBs yet.

    I ran into trouble getting the adapter circuit to function reliably so I've held off on ordering the new stuff until I'm absolutely sure everything will work adequately. I think I hinted earlier that I had a back-up plan in case the adapter didn't work out as planned, well it seems that might be the best option since I don't think I can get the boards to drive my adapter either. The new adapter invovles soldering a wire to the Chaos board (and possibly removing the board's stock transistor to make sure there isn't any trouble) so it'll still be clean, but take a little more effort to assemble.

    The really weird thing about this is that after examining the solenoid itself I'm surprised it works at all using a regular 9v battery. But both you and I have tested it out with Morlock boards, which drives it just fine...so it can't be *that* bad.

    I'll get back to you on that a little later once I finalize the circuit's components. I need to get my oscope back out and screw with the Chaos more, be getting to that any day now.
    Slight delay, Chaos boards suck worse than previously thought (big surprise ), still working.

    Just thought you guys would like an update.

    Hang in there.


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    Great guy! Does a great service to the paintballer community, good choice Coolhand!

    Quote Originally Posted by CoolHand
    Andrew "Ydna" DuBuc

    ZDS Paintball

    He's pretty sharp, he'll do very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gruntbull
    Great guy! Does a great service to the paintballer community, good choice Coolhand!
    He is indeed.

    I've known Andy for several years now, and he's always about three steps ahead of the industry in general.

    If anyone can suss out this board debacle and make it end happily, I believe it will be him.

    Also, not sure if I said so to you directly or not, but the ano on those last parts I sent your way was first class.

    I have dealt with nearly two dozen ano houses over the years, and you guys are easily the most organized and the most reliable I've used thus far. Add to that the fact that your ano doesn't suck, and you don't polish my parts until they look like used bars of soap, and you've got a winner for sure. Very happy with the service you provide, and when it comes to me and ano shops, that don't get said real often.


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    Smile Eye Covers

    http://www.lukescustoms.com/page0002.htm

    4th picture down.
    Would those work for the eye covers ?
    Just a thought.


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    Quote Originally Posted by going_home
    http://www.lukescustoms.com/page0002.htm

    4th picture down.
    Would those work for the eye covers ?
    Just a thought.

    They would, but they won't hug the sides of the body like mine did, 'cause he's using a flat endmill to cut a step instead of using a ball endmill to cut a radius.

    It's been a while since I've done an update.

    I'll go rattle YDNA's cage and see what's up.

    Will post results of said interaction as soon as it bears fruit.


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    (CoolHand) They would, but they won't hug the sides of the body like mine did, 'cause he's using a flat endmill to cut a step instead of using a ball endmill to cut a radius.

    Hey guys, those are Tac-One eye covers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luke
    Hey guys, those are Tac-One eye covers.
    Ahhhhh, that explains it.

    I figured you for more of a craftsman than that, but couldn't figure any good reason for the step other than you just didn't have the right size BEM at the time.

    It didn't even occurr to me that they were for a Tac.

    I've been away from PB for so long, I'm getting rusty . . . . . . . . .

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    LOL, it's all good.

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    Finally heard back from YDNA.

    Nothing new to report unfortunately, but he is still alive.

    He's assured me that he'll be moving on them again in the next week or two.

    I will report back when I know more.

    That is all.

    PS Enjoy the nice weather, I know I was about to go stir-crazy before the weather broke. ( )

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    OK, this board thing is dragging on and on.

    If you would like to take delivery of your marker, sans board and harness, please PM me your real name, and I will get the parts together and headed your way.

    If/When YDNA gets the boards and harnesses done, I will send them along separately.

    Should have known that the original time frame was a fools fevered dream. . . . . . . . .

    At least you guys could drop a cheapie board in and get some use out of them if you were to be so inclined.

    Your call, PM me if you want to go that route.


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