Tactical Automag prototype thread. Please help.

[FinchMan]

...Yeah, I gave up on this thread quite a while ago. Once in a while I surf through all the longwinded flaming posts and just look at the pictures to see if any new ideas come up in the midst of the attacks....

I think that last bullpup design might some potential.


heres the first paintball gun that came up when i searched for bullpup.


http://www.vm68.com/vm68/customvms10.html

...something to think about maybe....

*edit*

I like the look of the P90 in this picture. Perhaps a tight design might come of it (with more mask room of course).

[famousgamer]

And you came upon this knowledge today? Well thanks be to jesus our SAVIOR is HERE! Man, you act like you are the first person with military knowledge to play paintball... You are like a 7th grade english teacher trying to teach about vowels. Tell us something WE WANT TO HEAR. Tell us something we HAVENT heard before. Tell us SOMETHING that wont leave us laghing, wondering WHY in the ____ you even bothered to post this pointless drivel. Sure your prototype gun seemed worth while... BUT WHERE IS IT NOW? PHISPHEN finished his mod, did you? How many people look to YOUR thread for advice... Get on with it and STFU. Do your "mod" so we can make fun of it and finally forget it...

Hehe. What a hater. Hey Mescalito, I am not even going to dignify your retardation with a lengthy response. Suffice it to say you have now displayed your ability to propell and contribute to intelligent conversation. Its not to late for you to start being a cool person that people like to listen to, so start today.

I'm thinking QLoader under the gripframe pushed forward to the CO2 tank. You know if I could do that with the CMS? Would the QLoader alone pass for a light stock? Any other ideas? Thanks man, and I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with for your final marker.

I am getting my CMS in a week form now, and I will be doing almost the exact same thing. Just ask me specific stuff about mounting the CMS when you start seeing pics of mine popping up. I have put some weight on the Q Loader as a stock, and I feel it can provide some support and work as a limited stock for sure. I love the vert bottle feed on your mag dude. Ill also post a tutorial on my own silencer design in a few weeks.

heres the first paintball gun that came up when i searched for bullpup.

Finch, that is the design that got me all amped on this concept. Good eye man. I remember when those bullpup marker mods first started to appear. All the effectivness of any marker, but in 2/3 the size. Amazing. I personally love the bullpup thing.

EDIT: The cool thing about those P90's is that great front rail assembly thing. It goes pretty high, and might even allow for mask clearance. What a sweet setup that would be.

[famousgamer]

Okay. Since I am waiting for my Q Loader Custom Mounting Socket to come in the mail, I decided to do what work I can on the paint stock while waiting.

I have sculpted the buttstock part that allows the Q pod to be put in and out of the socket. I used expoxy putty to make a perfect female counterpart to the roundness of the Q pod.



You can see in the top reflection of the picture that it will allow a nice flat end for my buttstock, and on the lower part of the picture you can see how the Q Pod will just slide into the buttstock. This way I should not be putting any extra weight on the Q Loader itself, as basicly be able to forget it is even there in the first place, which is the ultimate goal.

When I get that CMS in, I can then mount it on my grip frame, and get to sculpting the final buttstock assembly.

[LONEWOLFOO1]

Since i decide to go air on gun i was looking for another vest i wanted a vest to put my used q loader pods because ou are not suppose to get them dirty since this ves t is modular i was thinking of picking this one up

of course i don't need all the little pocket though


http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c....t.A/id.3659/.f

[Severe]

Do yourself a favor and save some money. Go to www.airsoftatlanta.com and check out their vest selection at http://www.airsoftatlanta.com/tactical.htm

I've owned the UTG Crossdraw Vest in black and it works great for $49.99. I then sold it as black sticks out and went with the Tac Force USA OD Green Commando which was $10 more.

Both vest can hold 100 rnd tubes. 140s will work but you'd need to modify the flap on the pockets to accommodate the size of the pods. On top of that they would not be comfortable.

Q-pods will not fit in either of these vests without heavily modifying the pockets. But both are great vests. I modified mine by adding a verticle four pack to my back so I can carry (4) 100 round pods and (4) 140s.

[ghost flanker]

This stuff is a printed and plastic laminated vinyl. Its used on exterior signs and stuff. I got some made and have not turned back. I find it a little more durable then paint, as it does not chip off.

I like the idea of duracoat, but the Spec Ops digital woodland pattern is bad. It is not anywhere close ot being as effective as MARPAT. Opsgear is even worse. Theirs just looks like little colored blocks, all similar proportions. It actually makes a pattern that ATTRACTS the human eye!

I just scanned MARPAT and use that. I figure if it is good enough for a country that spends about a third of its fiscal budget on military tech, then its good enough for me. Why Spec Ops and Opsgear didnt try to tag along Ill never know.

And, here is a nice example of why you want to limit your outlines... and use MARPAT



Mr Spec Ops there is not going to be able to rely on his camo to hide himself, period. The camo he is wearing is rendered totally useless because of all those outlines, hard shapes, and un-natural colors. I am not saying my uniform is perfect, but at least I am on the right track.

Where did you get your marpat? ...how did you scan it? That stuff would be perfect for my mask.

[famousgamer]

I actually got an extra sheet of it here, and that would easily cover a mask. If you want it just send me a message and I can mail it out. Id charge you like 5 bucks for shipping it.

Applying it is kinda tricky, as masks are all curves. Using heat helps, like a heat gun or even a hairdrier. You hit it with heat, and then gently bend it around curves and press it down. Its tricky, but you can always just try it over and over until you like it.

You can use leftover stuff on anything else. After you get good at using it, the sky it the limit.

You kinda have to have a hookup at a sign shop to get this stuff made. If you have a sign shop in town that can do great color printing on vinyl, then take in some marpat BDUs, put it in their scanner, and they can plot you out some too.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that if you do this you may have to slightly manipulate your camoflage scans color, and detail. A high end color plotter can print at about 300 DPI, and that means every hair and fiber is going to be noticed. I used Photoshop to smooth out my Marpat pattern, and I also corrected the color a bit. If your local shop is cool, and if they are interested in the project (and if hey get a few bucks out of it) I am sure they will go the extra mile for some good looking camo.

[famousgamer]

I find that vests and belts that advertise they can hold 140 round pods work pretty well with the Q pods, but its tight. Gen X stuff for 140 round pods tends to fit Q pods well from experience.

You go thru lots of rounds out there Lonewolf, as you once mentioned. Having the ammo on your chest would be an asset for sure, as long as you are not belly crawling alot and crushing your 30 dollar pods. I tell you man, I love having the leg rig to dump used Q pods into. I just drop em and replace from my belt. SUPER fast reload times. The only trouble is that you now have a Q pod on your leg, and unless it is kept close to you rear, as opposed to the front of your thigh, it will get crushed while belly crawling. Other than that, its awesome.

[LONEWOLFOO1]

well the goal is to have my active rounds on my back so i can belly craw in the begining i just want to put hte q pods up front near my chest because by that time you are in the fire fight. so when i go threw a tube i wold just put the unloaded pod up front. hopefully by tht time youre stalking skills has been compromise or you have them trap anyway.

[famousgamer]

Whoa. That Airsoft Atlanta store has got some excellent deals on stuff. I am just worried about alot of the pouches either becoming useless or not fitting paintball stuff as well as it could on those pre-configured vests. I guess the MOLLE type strap vests and rigs are great, and totally universal.

Okay, I got my CMS, and wow. I now see what all the fuss is about. You really can mount your Q loader wherever you want, or as far as your imagination will take you.

Check it out. Here is a few basic configurations.


Air on, paint under


First is the air on config, with the paint under the tank. I can honestly say that if I had a ten inch or shorter barrel and was not in need of that red dot then I would TOTALLY use this setup. VERY comfy to shoulder, and very rugged. That Q pod is safe as hell under that tank, and that Rhino tank cover sticks to your shoulder great. I love those things.

Limitations? You can not get enough mask clearance to sight up with the red dot. Thats the biggie. Yes, you can squeeze your head in there, but it is not fun, and would not be a good and clean action to make with aiming/firing with haste. Another limitation is that this is a back heavy configuration, with no real hope of balancing the marker out. If you dont mind a back heavy marker, or if you always use a back heavy marker anyways, then this would not bother you at all.

Its looks as tho it might be hard to change pods, but it is easy as having it anywhere else. The tank does not get in the way at all.

This setup really gives you a great feeling when the marker is shouldered. It is very streamlined, and VERY tight when shouldered.

The best news is that these are all on-the-shelf parts, and you can easily make this on your own without any modifications. Woot.

Air off, paint under


This is my fave configuration. It is worth mentioning that this is not the prettiest way to set it up, but with the CMS bracket being the way it is, and without modifying it, this is as good as it gets for stability and positioning. I can say that this is REALLY comfy, with your whole hand being able to grip and not be obstructed by the Loader in the least.

If I had access to some metal milling Id try to make a nicer bracket to hold the Loader, perhaps on an angle following the t stock. One day I might, but for now I am going to stick with fairly easy-to-get items in case anyone else wants to try to make their own.

The lower one of the two has a little Photoshopped buttplate on it. I made one in foam already. UBER COMFY. Total mask clearance for days. You can snap shoulder this thing and sight up in no time flat. With the remote a little closer to the center it makes it a little easier to go into a ready position, with the buttplate resting on the chest.

It is worth mentioning that I am using the ADCO sureshot red dot, which has a natural raise to it, due to the calibration system. I love it, and it means I dont have to get a sight riser. Double woot. Thanks to Borph for that one.



So, next up is building my buttplate. Shouldnt be to tricky, as I have built prototypes from foam about a billion times while waiting for my CMS! Ill keep you all posted.

[famousgamer]

But what configuration can compete with....

The Black Borph!


This is the classic "Borph pattern" automag. I refer to it as the BPA. This is without a doubt the nicest way I have configured my mag so far. This works with any height of person, and allows tonnes of mask clearance and flexibility with foregrips, etc. Its excellent, and it is a blast fromt he past as it was first shown on like page 5 of this thread!

I am still going for this one tho...

Since I am a little taller, I can use a longer stock. I have no idea how to stick that CMS there, on that angle, but I just gotta bend some metal and rill some holes. Should be fun.

[Asym]

If you want the bottle on back, you could use spacers to drop the ASA to give you mask clearance. The only issue might be the angle of the AGD back ASA might drop it too low, so then you could just use a standard straight ASA with spacers or a block to drop it enough.

[ghost flanker]

I actually got an extra sheet of it here, and that would easily cover a mask. If you want it just send me a message and I can mail it out. Id charge you like 5 bucks for shipping it.

Applying it is kinda tricky, as masks are all curves. Using heat helps, like a heat gun or even a hairdrier. You hit it with heat, and then gently bend it around curves and press it down. Its tricky, but you can always just try it over and over until you like it.

You can use leftover stuff on anything else. After you get good at using it, the sky it the limit.

You kinda have to have a hookup at a sign shop to get this stuff made. If you have a sign shop in town that can do great color printing on vinyl, then take in some marpat BDUs, put it in their scanner, and they can plot you out some too.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that if you do this you may have to slightly manipulate your camoflage scans color, and detail. A high end color plotter can print at about 300 DPI, and that means every hair and fiber is going to be noticed. I used Photoshop to smooth out my Marpat pattern, and I also corrected the color a bit. If your local shop is cool, and if they are interested in the project (and if hey get a few bucks out of it) I am sure they will go the extra mile for some good looking camo.

I think I'll take you up on your offer... That would be great. You can email me at thomascatlin@aol.com to talk more and exchange addresses and info.

[famousgamer]

Good point. If that back bottle were straight and as low as possible then that might clear up a huge ammount of mask clearance right there. A flat ASA could do this with a custom milled adapter peice, or like you said using spacers.

Another thing to consider with the air on option is just mounting the paint under the barrel, ala Longbow style. That will push some of the weight forward and help give balance to the marker. At that rate you may as well just use the straight ASA on the gripframe for max mask clearance. I would do up some shots of this configuration for comparision but I do not have a flat ASA. Gotta get some of those!

[famousgamer]

I think I'll take you up on your offer... That would be great. You can email me at thomascatlin@aol.com to talk more and exchange addresses and info.

Cool man. I will give you an emial tonight. Im building custom furniture all day today for my new tattoo shop. Ugh. Tattoo shop furniture design is my second fave thing to design

[ThePixelGuru]

Quick question about the CMS - when it's mounted under the gripframe horizontally, what's the farthest forward you can put it?

[borph]

I have no idea how to stick that CMS there, on that angle, but I just gotta bend some metal and rill some holes. Should be fun.

Wouldn't take much bending, and at that angle it could be mounted closer to the grip frame so it doesn't crowd the air fitting. Put a Qelbow on each end of the tube and you're set. Here's something to chop on:

<img src="http://borph.home.mindspring.com/test.jpg">

[LONEWOLFOO1]

hello people i was just sitting here and debate on my new setup one thing for sure air on gun is a must. i haven't really decided to put my q loader at but i am stuck between two ideas





i like this setup but there is now room for a foregrip my goal is to have as little hose as possible if not at all i was think of using my longbow plus q loader loader since i can't sell my longbow kit. i have pics of my setup soon

with this setup the qloader is center and tight maybe we can get a adapter made past the qloader to get a foregrip in there.







now this setup is the orignal set up i had on my q bow a guy sent me a pic of this setup the thing i don't like about this is the high profile for the hose he could order the longbow adapter piece

http://www.specialopspaintball.com/s...SEARCH=LONGBOW

plus a qbow piece to get the profile real low and the hose elimnated i really would like a tac one frame made but this is options for the tac one owners i will have pics of various setup soon just give me time i am moving .and going threw a divorce.

worse case scenrio is to get a warp feed frame. i don't really want to becuase i still want that tactical look plus it would make the tac one useless you could just but a custom automag rt with a warp feed frame agd needs to make warp tac frame. i heard tunaman is coming out with them.

btw spec ops did not except my return on my longbow kit i took to long.

[LONEWOLFOO1]

look at what i found rejoice. for the day that the longbow dies for sure.

https://www.automags.org/forums/showt...11#post2140811

i am not going to say read the post.

now you are going to see something crazy from me.

[ghost flanker]

Cool man. I will give you an emial tonight. Im building custom furniture all day today for my new tattoo shop. Ugh. Tattoo shop furniture design is my second fave thing to design

Did you still want to sell me a sheet of yer marpat?

[famousgamer]

Oh, sorry doood. Been swamped at my shop for the past few days. Just PM me your address and I will send it out on Moday (tomorrow).

Ill send you a sheet of laminated and also some unlaminated MARPAT. Laminated is bulletproof on flat surfaces, but harder to heat and stretch to rounded surfaces. The un-laminated is more forgiving to put on, but slightly less durable.

For an update on the marker, I am doing some sculpting on it today. Just doing the space between the gripframe and the Q Loader, and turning it into a thumbhole. Ill keep yawl posted.

[famousgamer]

Warp Tac One bodies. Oh man. I can not wait to see what those markers look like. Serious droolfest 2006!

[famousgamer]

Here is what I sculpted about 5 minutes ago...




Now I have to wait for this to harden (about 4 hourse, with a 24 hour full cure time) and then sand it to a nice smooth finish.

Just the first part. There are two other sections to go. I am now in the process of ordering ANOTHER gas thru t stock, as mine has a rounded and worn nipple, and it leaks too easily. Ill have that in a week or two, and then get to sculpting the buttstock, which is the most important peice. The after that Ill do the one peice bolt cover and stock shroud.

[NinjaoftheNight79]

Good work man. It has been a while since I have been on here. I am planning on working on my own project now (can anyone say Pneumag?).

[famousgamer]

Thanks Ninja. Looking forward to it. Pics pics pics pics pics!

Some more progress on my snipermag. There is now a buttstock taking shape. I bent a little plastic for the rounded part that connects to the shoulder, and then just filled in the rest with Aves Apoxie Sculpt. It is not hardened or sanded yet. Ill do that tommorow if I get the time.




Here is a pic of the fiercest snipermag operator in Canada... Oscar the cat! As you can see our military is... lacking. We train our housepets to do the dirty work. Oscar specializes in long range sniping... and taking naps on his favorite blanket.


A huge special thanks to Borph for lending me his bipod. I owe you dood!

[FinchMan]

rofl! looking good.


since you're going off-gun air, you probably could use HPA and an x-valve.

[famousgamer]

rofl! looking good.


since you're going off-gun air, you probably could use HPA and an x-valve.

I am all over the ULT, X Valve and HPA. I got my 68 ci 4500 good to go. Just need a better nipple for my t stock and I am good to go. The trigger pull is still a little heavy for my taste, so I am looking forward to the ULT, and the more lightweight X Valve.

Here is a photo spread of the Q-butt I just finished up today. I painted my custom sculpted components black (until they are wrapped in camo) and did up the Q Pods too.

Q Pods do NOT like to be painted, just so you know. I sanded them and they still repel paint. Not fun. Notice the strip left on the pod side. That is to check ammo in your pod. Make sure to do the same if you paint or wrap your pods!

I also added some thin foam rubber to the receiving bottom end of the buttstock, and as a buttplate. The foam on the bottom is to stop the Pod from moving or rubbing on the buttstock. It makes it very snug, and wobble free. The buttplate is nice and comfy, and more comfy than the average buttstock that does not even hold paint! I also carved out the bottom section of the buttstock to lighten it a little.

















As you can see the marker sits at a very nice height for shooting, and allows for total mask clearance. The rounded nature of the buttstock allows for super fast shouldering. The low profile nature of hiding the paint in the stock is more like NO profile! This design has far exceeded my expectations for comfort and stealth.

I have still yet to sculpt the foregrip. After that I will write an article on the marker. Included will be a recipie for anyone who wishes to follow the "Borph" pattern marker, which is made from parts off the shelf. My own "Pragmata" version will require some serious sculpting, but that is not to say that it is impossible to duplicate.

Oscar, my cat, is enjoying sniping with this pattern as we speak!

Oh yeah, and these parts are totally removable. The thumbhole part is friction locked between the Q loader and the gripframe, and the buttstock is just sculpted right on top of the old t stock post. I another post Ill take pics of it all broken down.

Thre was alot of debate on the Special Ops forums about what the best sniper marker is. Obviously, anything that throws a paintball is usefull, but proper gear choices help the paintball "sniper.
- The less there is sticking off the marker the less there is to detect, so the operator of the Pragmata becomes tighter and stealthier.
- The Q Loader operates without any noise at all, and still delivers paint as fast as any noisy motorized hopper. This also adds to stealth.
- The mag under the hood is double-regulated, and when fueled with HPA is one of the most consistient markers in the world. This helps with shot-to-shot accuracy and first-shot accuracy, among other things.
- alot of barrels will do, but the Stiffi does a great job while being quite silent. I might suggest getting the 14 inch however. The 16 is overkill. Alot of stealth and accuracy with the Stiffi.
- the back bottle adapter, t stock and the naturally tall ADCO red dot provide PLENTY of great mask clearance. A must for anyone who uses a buttstock while wearing a paintball mask.
- the warp body allows the operator to aim down the barrel, and not beside it. No offsets needed for your red dot. This is a true rifle feel, and aiming becomes intuative and natural this way. You will get shot in the head more however!

[acrosome]

I can't help but notice that if you had mounted the gas-through stock off the bottom of the grip and put the q-loader on top of it, your gun would have been ergonomically similar to the FN P90... I'm sure you considered this. I think it's what I'm going to try, though your technical abilities obviously exceed mine.

[LONEWOLFOO1]

man you guys have been busy famousgamer have you put pics on the spec ops forum since people did tell you to make it and you did. maybe i should start one i think a lot of people would benefit from ou input. btw i still couldn't sell my longbow i thought it was the hottest thing since crack. it goes to show how you can put some steam out of a companys sails. i order some more parts to make my ultimate scenrio weapon. and i will post my findings soon.

unlike famous gamer desings myine will be based with off the shelf parts with a slight and easy modification.

[NinjaoftheNight79]

Dude, that is sweet. I have to hand it to you, you have amazed me. In the beginning, I never thought you could do it. You have definately proved me wrong. Keep on making stuff, and make sure to show it of at Special Ops. PM me on there when you do too.