G-Force to release pneumatic frames for the Mags

**Smoothice** · 10-23-2007, 10:14 AM

G-Force

Have you guys tried your frame on a classic valve? If not you should. This may add a few extra sales.

My pneumag worked great with a classic valve. I just had to turn up the psi on the lpr a little and use a rt on/off.

Currently for those with classic valved mags to use your product they would need to buy a x valve ($200) plus your trigger frame ($200)

If your trigger frame works on a classic valved mag then all they may need is a rt on/off ($20)

**Twistedpsyche** · 10-23-2007, 03:47 PM

I can't believe I just found this thing today!! I am soooo going to be ordering one of these this week!!! Please please please don't run out before I get to order!!

**Zone Drifter** · 10-23-2007, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by smoothice

G-Force

Have you guys tried your frame on a classic valve? If not you should. This may add a few extra sales.

My pneumag worked great with a classic valve. I just had to turn up the psi on the lpr a little and use a rt on/off.

Currently for those with classic valved mags to use your product they would need to buy a x valve ($200) plus your trigger frame ($200)

If your trigger frame works on a classic valved mag then all they may need is a rt on/off ($20)

I had also thought about this, since rouges hybrid frame is also coming out, I would love to use that with my x-valve, however i have a minimag valve just collecting dust. I know i can swap the valves, but it's an appearance thing

plus, a classic valve with a pneuframe would be sic.

**Andrew Cunje** · 10-23-2007, 05:20 PM

will this benefit from a ule trigger kit?

**warbeak2099** · 10-23-2007, 05:25 PM

Wait I bought this to make a sleeper. I'm going to use a classic valve to get that effect. You can just swap an RTP on/off right in correct?

**cyrus-the-virus** · 10-23-2007, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by warbeak2099

Price is on the website:

$199 for the frame
$65 for the internal LPR

~$265

yeah, minus the cost of the modification to the ASA/rail....

**Smoothice** · 10-23-2007, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by cyrus-the-virus

yeah, minus the cost of the modification to the ASA/rail....

Don't you mean + the cost of modification to the asa/rail?

**G-Force Tech** · 10-23-2007, 07:57 PM

Our frames work with either classic or X valves. You can not out shoot the classic valve anyways. We do highly recommend HPA since you could freeze the reg from high rates of firing. The ULE is not required at all. The Tac-One in the video was stock out of the box with 3lb trigger pull. The level 10 was so difficult to tune, so we went to the gold spring for the video.

Our frame uses a completely new trigger geometry for walking. The trigger has dual ball bearing to make it even smoother to pull.

Garf

PS. Use the fastest loader you can afford. A revy won't work. As long as it can feed up to 17bps, you'll shouldn't chop.

Originally Posted by smoothice

G-Force

Have you guys tried your frame on a classic valve? If not you should. This may add a few extra sales.

My pneumag worked great with a classic valve. I just had to turn up the psi on the lpr a little and use a rt on/off.

Currently for those with classic valved mags to use your product they would need to buy a x valve ($200) plus your trigger frame ($200)

If your trigger frame works on a classic valved mag then all they may need is a rt on/off ($20)

**G-Force Tech** · 10-23-2007, 07:59 PM

If you want to keep the conversion cost down, stick with the external LPR setup.

Garf

Originally Posted by smoothice

Don't you mean + the cost of modification to the asa/rail?

**Smoothice** · 10-24-2007, 01:59 PM

G-Force

How is the pre order going? Have you received as many orders as there was interest? How many more spots are available?

**LONEWOLFOO1** · 10-24-2007, 08:49 PM

Finally something to look forward to is there still a 4 to 6 week wait? i am glad to see this because i wanted a better trigger pull. now i don't need to order a emag now yeah!!!

**Twistedpsyche** · 10-25-2007, 11:31 PM

Hey Garf

I'm trying to order the grip and LPR in your online store and pay with Paypal, but for some reason it is not working.

If you could drop me a PM or something that would be great. I'd really like to get this thing ordered.

I'll PM you too.
Thanks.

**cyrus-the-virus** · 10-26-2007, 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by G-Force Tech

If you want to keep the conversion cost down, stick with the external LPR setup.

Garf

ugh... how much is it to get the rail and ASA modified. It does not say on your website.

**G-Force Tech** · 10-26-2007, 08:41 AM

PM replied

Garf

Originally Posted by Twistedpsyche

Hey Garf

I'm trying to order the grip and LPR in your online store and pay with Paypal, but for some reason it is not working.

If you could drop me a PM or something that would be great. I'd really like to get this thing ordered.

I'll PM you too.
Thanks.

**G-Force Tech** · 10-26-2007, 08:42 AM

What do you need modified on the rail?

The on/off ASA modification can be done by any airsmith. It needs only a 1/16 hole drilled.

Garf

Originally Posted by cyrus-the-virus

ugh... how much is it to get the rail and ASA modified. It does not say on your website.

**Pneumagger** · 10-26-2007, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by G-Force Tech

What do you need modified on the rail?

The on/off ASA modification can be done by any airsmith. It needs only a 1/16 hole drilled.

Garf

I believe he may be referring to getting a Vertical Adapter and rail modified to accept an LPR out front then pass air through the rail.

**Chronobreak** · 10-26-2007, 09:17 AM

video?, pics of a final frame?

update on production of frame/reg?

as someone who put some $ down im very interested, buti dont want you do be sidetracked with little things that may slow down the process

**BigEvil** · 10-26-2007, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by G-Force Tech

http://img532.imageshack.us/my.php?i...mag1wmvtt9.flv

http://img532.imageshack.us/my.php?i...mag2wmvct0.flv

Both videos have the 0.2mm trigger pull on the pre-production frames, an improvement over the the earlier prototypes which 0.5mm instead.
To show how light the trigger pull was, firing was done with a McDonalds milkshake straw.
We had a minor leak after retuning the Level 10 but was cleared up after several shots.

Garf

Hey Garf - I would be more than willing to donate my service to tune that lvl10 kit for ya!!

Also a quick suguestion - you can probably shoot that gun ALOT faster with a little more slop in he trigger.

**G-Force Tech** · 10-26-2007, 09:39 AM

Our vertical adaptor have a channel milled to feed to LPR hose into the grip frame itself. The grip frame has a channel millled in-line with the vertical ASA to let LPR hose feed into the pneumatics.

You do not need to modify the rail.

Garf

Originally Posted by Pneumagger

I believe he may be referring to getting a Vertical Adapter and rail modified to accept an LPR out front then pass air through the rail.

**Chronobreak** · 10-26-2007, 09:39 AM

gues i missed the vids, thanks scott

**G-Force Tech** · 10-26-2007, 09:41 AM

The level 10 works now. It needed the next size carrier to stop the leak.

the slop in the trigger was from a loose set screw. The trigger has no slop since it uses two ball bearings for the pivot.

Garf

Originally Posted by BigEvil

Hey Garf - I would be more than willing to donate my service to tune that lvl10 kit for ya!!

Also a quick suguestion - you can probably shoot that gun ALOT faster with a little more slop in he trigger.

**G-Force Tech** · 10-26-2007, 09:43 AM

The videos and pics are posted at the beginning of this thread

https://www.automags.org/forums/showt...5&page=1&pp=30

Originally Posted by Chronobreak

gues i missed the vids, thanks scott

**BigEvil** · 10-26-2007, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by G-Force Tech

The level 10 works now. It needed the next size carrier to stop the leak.

the slop in the trigger was from a loose set screw. The trigger has no slop since it uses two ball bearings for the pivot.

Garf

I actually wasnt clear on that.. i mean fwd/rear slop. Not side to side.

However.. it looks very impressive. Unless that straw is covering a stainless steel rod, then this thing should be wicked fast.

**BigEvil** · 10-26-2007, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Chronobreak

gues i missed the vids, thanks scott

hehe - yeah i had to find them too.

**G-Force Tech** · 10-26-2007, 09:54 AM

The straw does flex but the trigger is light enough for the straw to fire it.

If you look at the live firing video, the straw is flexing.

http://img532.imageshack.us/my.php?i...mag2wmvct0.flv

Garf

Originally Posted by BigEvil

I actually wasnt clear on that.. i mean fwd/rear slop. Not side to side.

However.. it looks very impressive. Unless that straw is covering a stainless steel rod, then this thing should be wicked fast.

**Don Carnage** · 10-26-2007, 12:31 PM

Garf, I've ordered my frame and LPR and am counting the days.
The question I have is with the ASA. I like CP ASA's and will use one of those.

Do I need a direct mount ASA or one that mounts to a rail? I want to have all the parts here when the frame comes in so I can drill the hole and get to playing.

In other words, do I want this:

or this:

Thanks.

**Twistedpsyche** · 10-26-2007, 01:59 PM

I'm pretty sure, based on what Garf has said earlier, that you are going to want the second one pictured.

**warbeak2099** · 10-26-2007, 02:46 PM

You need the direct mount, the top one will not work.

**G-Force Tech** · 10-26-2007, 07:05 PM

Warbeak2099 is correct, You need use the second one in your pics. I will be offering an adapter plate which is essentially an air manifold that routes the air from a single drill hole on top of the ASA to directly below the air passage input of the grip frame for the internal Micro-LPR.

o-rings are needed for the air seal between the adaptor plate and the grip frame and ASA.

I have tested the rail version which tears the o-ring when sliding the rail and ASA together.

The reason why in case you ask why a adaptor plate is required, is the mounting holes of the ASA are in reality the vent holes for bleeding the air from the ASA.

Garf

Very important note; I am pretty sure once you drill the ASA, CP will void your warranty!

Originally Posted by Don Carnage

Garf, I've ordered my frame and LPR and am counting the days.
The question I have is with the ASA. I like CP ASA's and will use one of those.

Do I need a direct mount ASA or one that mounts to a rail? I want to have all the parts here when the frame comes in so I can drill the hole and get to playing.

In other words, do I want this:

or this:

Thanks.

**warbeak2099** · 10-26-2007, 08:34 PM

You think we'll be able to order the G-Force ASAs before the frames ship out?

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