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    smooth does have a point. All this has been said and done before, but actions speak louder than words.

    Yes a manual would calm people down but an actuall frame in their hands will stop everything.

    Now can people stop pointing fingures at each other and what not. Try and be more civil than what has been going on the past two days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandfreestyle
    smooth does have a point. All this has been said and done before, but actions speak louder than words.

    Yes a manual would calm people down but an actuall frame in their hands will stop everything.

    Now can people stop pointing fingures at each other and what not. Try and be more civil than what has been going on the past two days.
    Agreed and my bad for starting the hostilities. But it still stands that Garf hasn't shown signs of running away with our money yet. He is keeping personal communication open which is huge. The fact that you can actually speak to a live body is incredibly professional. A big difference from Chris at Devil's Den shutting down all communication. He stopped posting on the forums, he stopped answering e-mails, and he sure as hell didn't give a phone number.

    Garf isn't shady, he just screwed up royally in his calculations. And like I said, he should be held responsible for that, it's his mistake and it pissed us all off. But he's obviously no scam artist. It just frustrates me when AO'ers stoop to the level of calling people scammers without sufficient evidence. Especially when they could easily call him on the phone and relay their concerns to him personally. It's not mature at all to hide behind an internet screen name. Yell at the guy personally if you're so upset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warbeak2099
    It just frustrates me when AO'ers stoop to the level of calling people scammers without sufficient evidence.
    look in the mirror.

    Thats all you did in the first pages of this thread.

    EDIT: I'm done with you warbeak. I'll quite while I am ahead.

    I do want you to know that I won't carry a grudge or anything. What happens in this thread will stay in this thread as far as I am concerned.

    I look forward to your next video. Hopefully with a Gforce frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothice
    look in the mirror.

    Thats all you did in the first pages of this thread.
    Nope I did it in another thread. And I have since apologized for it. I flew off the handle at Garf when he first said he was going to do this pre-order. Then I saw the pictures and videos and actually started talking to the guy. That was my mistake, I was man enough to apologize to Garf for it.

    And I've remained somewhat skeptical through this thread, a little skepticism is healthy. But I am not calling the guy a scam artist. I'm upset that he miscalculated how long this would take and I hold him responsible, but I also acknowledge that he's working to get us our frames.

    Is he some horrible villain bent on stealing our money? No. Is he the greatest guy in the world and free of any responsibility with regards to our unacceptably long wait time? No. I'm trying to be objective about this.

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    I am now jones'n for that manual hardcore....Hope we get it before I leave work today so I can print it...

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    all that squabbling, any one have anything yet?

    nope? k ...keep me posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothice
    "and we can stay up late swapping' manly stories;
    and in the morning'

    I'm making waffles!!"

    funny thing, i actually defended Garf,
    I know the crap that can jump out at you when your in business or just trying to build something.

    then one day i called him to try and get some answers, still on his side, to hopefully be able to get some info that would help smooth over the feelings here in the forum.
    During that call the girl that answered first was evasive about whether i had reached the correct number or not....
    then when Garf got on the phone he pretty much told me that because i did not order a frame, i had no right to the information and i should pretty much go away and pound sand...
    I found the attitude i got on the phone to be both rude and defiant!
    so this sent up some red flags for me, and kinda pissed me off...not a good thing to do...
    so my opinion of G-Force as a company has changed.
    Garf first said there were going to be 2 runs, my intent was to see the finished product from the first run, then possibly order on the second.
    then the second run was canceled.
    Garf has said publicly in this thread that his company is not a "Paintball Company"
    and they have no plans to produce the frame that they hold the patent for.
    OK, Garf,
    does this mean you will be selling license so that others can produce this product?
    are you waiting for a company to buy your patent?
    do you intend to sit on the patent to prevent people from using this product?
    are you following the Smart Parts example and waiting till others have built businesses and are making sales, then you back adjust your patent to force them to pay you or stop production?

    are you trying to date the Gardener Brothers?

    Garf, If what I have posted has pissed you off; GOOD!
    think about this, WISE GUY,
    I took your side and defended you when most here THAT PAID YOU MONEY
    were ready to LYNCH YOU.
    YOU chose to give uncalled for attitude to one of the few people that were on your side.
    So if I have pissed you off,
    GO FOURTH UPON THY SELF FORNICATING WITH EXTREME VIGOR!

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    Quote Originally Posted by warbeak2099
    If you haven't spoken to Garf in 4 months, then call him now. I'm not going to make excuses for him, but it's pretty ridiculous to compare him to SEARS. He's running a small custom batch of Mag accessories. Yea, you do have to call to get the scoop. It's not unreasonable. In fact it's better than getting information from a message board. It's way more personal to talk to a live body.

    Whatever, I'll be glad when we see the manual and you can grow up.
    The thing is, it IS unreasonable to require customers to constantly call for updates on a product.....especially when the updates that the seller is providing are constantly false. The seller provided a time frame for the product, he didnt meet the time frame, so it is his responsibility to provide updates on when the customer will be receiving the product.

    IDK why you are saying your not going to make excuses for him? "He's running a small custom batch of Mag accessories. Yea, you do have to call to get the scoop." THAT IS AN EXCUSE. It doesnt matter if he is making 1 frame or a million, he has constantly lied to his customers, just because its "custom" (which its not unless each frame is different for each customer) doesnt give him the right to constantly tell people he is shipping in 2 weeks......and here were are 10 months later.

    which is harder, dealing with 100 phone calls every week or writing 1 email every 2 weeks and forwarding it to every single customer. Which is more reliable, 100 different phone calls, or 1 solid mass email? Garf in no way took an initiative to keep the customers informed on the product, if he gave a crap about his customers you would see him initiating the communication.....instead all I see is you advocating people to call him, which it is not their responsibility to do.

    Your defending him because you had a phone conversation with him, not because you have a product in your hand......your support is no more valid than someone claiming that he took all your money and went on a vacation to Hawaii, because neither of you have one shred of proof. Telling people to grow up shows a lot of immaturity on your part.....these people have every right to complain, just because they have a different point of view than you doesn't give you the right to start name calling. Even after the manual is released these people have every right to complain, because they still dont have a product that was supposed to be delivered over 8 months ago.....and even after people receive frames they can still complain, because apparently LPR's arnt going to ship with the frames, which make the frames USELESS to somoene who doesnt happen to have a LPR laying around. And even after the frames, LPRs and every other component ships, people still have every right to complain because this has taken 9 months longer than originally intended.

    If anyone should be supporting Garf, it should be Garf himself.....but he obviously doesnt care what is said here, he has shown that with the very few responses he has posted in this thread. He could have instantly ended any doubts in himself and the frames existence by posting a simple picture of a bunch of frames on a table.....do you see any pictures? Claiming that someone may copy his work based on a picture is just stupid, no one asked for detailed internal pics of the frames....oh wait, someone copying his frames wouldnt matter anyway, he has already been paid for all the frames he is creating I'll just say it to make it simple: There is absolutely no reason he shouldnt be able to post a simple camera phone pic of a box of components, frames, or anything else to support his claim he is working on these frames, but it hasnt happened......WHY??? Provide a legitimate reason why he wouldnt be able to snap a quick pic of ANYTHING to prove there is work being done and not only would I take back almost everything ive said, i'm sure plenty of other people would do the same, till then dont support someone you dont know personally because you talked to them on the phone for a few minutes.

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    Andrew or WK2...get the manual or tracking numbers today as promised?

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    did george bush pull the troops? did hell freeze over. Then no they didnt get a manual or a trackingnumber.

    I think you forget when there was no communication he started sporting helicopter parts and shut down completely the paintball portion.

    wb2k you must be he rl brother or something, or can you be that gullible. anyway im done with this thread, if i get it i get it, if i dont im glad i could line a shady cunnuck's pocket

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    and please tell me why i would want to call ong distance to hear, uh aye aye yep its gonna be few more weeks aye, they are at anno then i need to tweak them and then i have to hand test them one at a time, and then oh yeah go back to anno.


    those bandwagon garf fans forgot one thing....you're the customer. You should not have to go through this. This thread is epic 50 + pages and its all about broken promises and pushbacks, and yeah helicopter parts,.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TnDeathInc
    and please tell me why i would want to call ong distance to hear, uh aye aye yep its gonna be few more weeks aye, they are at anno then i need to tweak them and then i have to hand test them one at a time, and then oh yeah go back to anno.


    those bandwagon garf fans forgot one thing....you're the customer. You should not have to go through this. This thread is epic 50 + pages and its all about broken promises and pushbacks, and yeah helicopter parts,.
    If I had a sig or enough space to keep this on my profile somewhere,.... this would NEVER get erased.

    TDI,.... THIS post was epic! I think a couple drops of pee came out when I stopped laughing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by insixdays777
    Andrew or WK2...get the manual or tracking numbers today as promised?
    I have not received a e-mail or a phone call from Garf lately (not since his last email confirming my shipping info)... If I had (please believe me),,, I would have posted by now and not kept anyone in suspense... Sorry Bro. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by insixdays777
    Andrew or WK2...get the manual or tracking numbers today as promised?
    Dont underestimate my sarcasm TnD I am with you...

    I have lung cancer now and I am sick of looking at my self with all this smoke and mirrors...thanks G-Force....

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    Quote Originally Posted by warbeak2099
    It just frustrates me when AO'ers stoop to the level of calling people scammers without sufficient evidence.
    bwahahhaha

    anyone who doesn't have pictures of finished frames and isn't pursuing legal action deserves to lose their money.

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    I was thinking...do we really believe/know 100 people ordered? Heck only seems like about 10 of us care any more about our $250.00. This is perplexing...I wonder if even 100 different people have even posted in the thread? just more conspiracy theories for you guys...Dont have anything else to look at or do like READ A MANUAL....

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    That is funny I just got my Manual.

    Basic, clean and seems well writen.

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    Post it up! PLEASE!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobAGD
    That is funny I just got my Manual.

    Basic, clean and seems well writen.

    -Robert
    Can you PM it to us Please ???

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    I was e-mailed the manual as well. If people want it I'll forward it to you. Just PM me with your e-mail addy.

    EDIT: Scratch that I found out how to host a PDF file:

    http://warbeak2099.fileave.com/G-ForceMagFrame.pdf

    This is my file folder if that link doesn't work:
    http://warbeak2099.fileave.com/
    Last edited by warbeak2099; 07-30-2008 at 11:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by insixdays777
    I was thinking...do we really believe/know 100 people ordered? Heck only seems like about 10 of us care any more about our $250.00. This is perplexing...I wonder if even 100 different people have even posted in the thread? just more conspiracy theories for you guys...Dont have anything else to look at or do like READ A MANUAL....

    well i had bought civics spot and havent been waiting for a long time. i have no right to complain. i have just been reading these post and getting really nervous. i had talked to garf when we were switching over the spot. i thought he sounded sincere when he was explaining how far he got and that he only has a couple more weeks before he ships them out. but then i read here on the thread that everybody else heard the same thing from him, which makes me nervous!

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    Awesome...thanks!!!!!!!!

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    Thank You Warbeak2099 !!!

    WK2

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    My link works? Hooray!

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    That manual is paintball porn

    Lets hope its not like real porn where I can only dream of touching whats pictured without ever being able too

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    ...that sear adapter is awesome...way out side of the box. Trigger looks awesome, super adjustible, ball bearings....looks great....complete and literal flip flop of all the home made setups...cool
    Last edited by insixdays777; 07-31-2008 at 12:35 AM.

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    Yea definitely worth the money and hassle. Way better than any home-made job to date.

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    Thanks for the link, Warbreak.

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    i received the manual last night with the understanding that warbreak and rob were receiving the manuals as well from garf...best i didnt post it up and warbreak did under the current circumstances : )

    AND ROB OUTTA THE DARK! damn : )

    ill pm u when mines in so you can help my nub self make it work : P
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