G-Force frame, not vaporware!

**warbeak2099** · 07-30-2008, 10:44 PM

We got our manual today:
http://warbeak2099.fileave.com/

EDIT:

VIDS VIDS VIDS!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At-RLwbx9zg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COAO5fiVgMw

**zondo** · 07-31-2008, 01:17 AM

That's great!

I'm happy that this may all soon be over for you guys...

**Dirge** · 07-31-2008, 06:55 AM

OOOoooooo. I didn't know a manual was in the deal! Time to check e-mail.

**luke** · 07-31-2008, 08:27 AM

Humm, not really what I expected, it pretty much looks like what the DIY guys are making. I'm not saying that is a bad thing, just not what I expected. I would suggest you start with a new sear.

I'd sure like to see the hAir trigger design.

**warbeak2099** · 07-31-2008, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by luke

Humm, not really what I expected, it pretty much looks like what the DIY guys are making. I'm not saying that is a bad thing, just not what I expected. I would suggest you start with a new sear.

I'd sure like to see the hAir trigger design.

It's hugely different. The sear extender allows for the actuator to be mounted low, under the MSV-1. Since the MSV-1 is mounted so high up behind the trigger, the pull is lighter and shorter than any home made mod could ever be. The lower actuation point also allows the ram to be driven by less pressure but maintain the capability of high rof.

The trigger looks way nicer than any AGD compatible stuff too. It definitely looks like it was worth it to dish out the money rather than doing it yourself. No offense to the DIY'ers, but this looks way better than anything you could just whip up with a dremel.

**luke** · 07-31-2008, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by warbeak2099

It's hugely different. The sear extender allows for the actuator to be mounted low, under the MSV-1. Since the MSV-1 is mounted so high up behind the trigger, the pull is lighter and shorter than any home made mod could ever be. The lower actuation point also allows the ram to be driven by less pressure but maintain the capability of high rof.

The trigger looks way nicer than any AGD compatible stuff too. It definitely looks like it was worth it to dish out the money rather than doing it yourself. No offense to the DIY'ers, but this looks way better than anything you could just whip up with a dremel.

I suppose it's all a matter of perspective.

**BREAD_DA_PAINTER** · 07-31-2008, 08:51 AM

[/QUOTE] No offense to the DIY'ers, but this looks way better than anything you could just whip up with a dremel.[/QUOTE]

I dont think thats any better than a dremel job.. All this was done with a dremel and a drill..

And won MOTM...

**warbeak2099** · 07-31-2008, 08:58 AM

And it's a great looking gun. But performance wise, I think the G-Force frames will supersede DIY jobs. Like I stated above, the way he placed the actuator and MSV-1 really makes a difference. Think about it from an engineering standpoint. The MSV-1 is at the complete top of the trigger where force can be applied to it with the most leverage by the trigger. This means a lighter and shorter pull. The actuator applies force to the bottom of the already extended sear arm. This means less force is needed from the actuator and therefore less gas is needed to power it.

It's more efficient than a DIY frame, and has a better trigger pull.

Now I'm not saying the DIY jobs suck. I've seen the vids, they're awesome. And much cheaper too. But this is a production product that has been meticulously engineered (to the point of making us wait way too long for our frames lol). It's obviously going to perform better. Your guys' frames are still unique and cool though.

**Dirge** · 07-31-2008, 09:06 AM

Love my DIY job.

This may just change how we do them. And it is toatally DIY able. And it's not like hes making any more......

**warbeak2099** · 07-31-2008, 09:11 AM

Lol you guys are so defensive. I'm sure someone could replicate it and do it themselves. I'm just saying that we paid money to have it super engineered lol. The actuator is custom built and yadda yadda yadda. We'll see though. I have a feeling the pull is going to be a lot different from that of a DIY frame. Hopefully someone who bought it will have shot a DIY framed Mag. Then we can get an honest comparison.

**Dirge** · 07-31-2008, 09:12 AM

I'll let you know.

I hope it is better......

**luke** · 07-31-2008, 09:22 AM

Your statements on placement of parts don't change my original comments. This is not that big of a step above the DIY frames IMHO.

It is a very small step to machine a few parts that will allow guys to use off the shelf parts to bolt into say an Inteilframe to achieve the ground breaking design that we have here. (No dremel required.) Perhaps I was expecting too much, but what ever the case I would love to see how Deadlywind and PTP designed their frames, but we all know that's unlikely.

I don't want to start a fight here, I hope everyone gets what they feel they paid for. My comments were never intended to dis G-Force. It was just a simple observation of his design. I think it's great that a production frame was made available, even though it will be short lived with one production run.

**Dirge** · 07-31-2008, 09:30 AM

Actually, I wasn't expecting much more than that.

Though I see why he withheld photos for as long as he did. Just didn't think of doing it that way.

**insixdays777** · 07-31-2008, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by warbeak2099

Lol you guys are so defensive. I'm sure someone could replicate it and do it themselves. I'm just saying that we paid money to have it super engineered lol. The actuator is custom built and yadda yadda yadda. We'll see though. I have a feeling the pull is going to be a lot different from that of a DIY frame. Hopefully someone who bought it will have shot a DIY framed Mag. Then we can get an honest comparison.

I will have both a very professional DIY pnueframe ( not sure who made it, bought it on here from billybones...looks like pneumagger or MANN's work, extreamly well built, no hack job) and the G-force frame...I will post vids/comparasions/review ect....

And my DIY frame has the MSV-1 very high, as high as you could place it without relocating the articulator, the level on it is so short it just barely extends past the body of the MSV-1...so it will make a nice comparsion....and yes I will be selling in once I get my G-force frame..no need for 2 of them!

**sandfreestyle** · 07-31-2008, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by insixdays777

I will have both a very professional DIY pnueframe ( not sure who made it, bought it on here from billybones...looks like pneumagger or MANN's work, extreamly well built, no hack job) and the G-force frame...I will post vids/comparasions/review ect....

Wait... You have it in your hands? When did this happen?

**insixdays777** · 07-31-2008, 10:37 AM

haha...wishful thinking I suppose....

**seekandestroy78** · 07-31-2008, 10:44 AM

he said will have...

**sandfreestyle** · 07-31-2008, 10:46 AM

guess I read it a little to fast

**warbeak2099** · 07-31-2008, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by luke

Your statements on placement of parts don't change my original comments. This is not that big of a step above the DIY frames IMHO.

It is a very small step to machine a few parts that will allow guys to use off the shelf parts to bolt into say an Inteilframe to achieve the ground breaking design that we have here. (No dremel required.) Perhaps I was expecting too much, but what ever the case I would love to see how Deadlywind and PTP designed their frames, but we all know that's unlikely.

I don't want to start a fight here, I hope everyone gets what they feel they paid for. My comments were never intended to dis G-Force. It was just a simple observation of his design. I think it's great that a production frame was made available, even though it will be short lived with one production run.

Understood. The fact remains that it is different that anything done before. That's what we paid for and that's what we hopefully will be getting. The point is that it isn't a DIY frame, it's a production frame with a different twist.

**ThePixelGuru** · 07-31-2008, 11:00 AM

Hmm, good to see a manual. Here's hoping you guys get the actual frames soon.

**TwilightG** · 07-31-2008, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by insixdays777

I will have both a very professional DIY pnueframe ( not sure who made it, bought it on here from billybones...looks like pneumagger or MANN's work, extreamly well built, no hack job) and the G-force frame...I will post vids/comparasions/review ect....

Does it have Cyber's magnet mod? I'd be very interested to see a comparison. From the sound of it, the mag mod has done wonders for diy pneumags. Unfortunately it wasn't available when I ordered the G-Force frame. (I don't think)

Hopefully we can get a few reviews and comparisons of DIY vs. G-Force. Either way, $200 for a production pneu-frame is a good deal (assuming that we get more than a manual

)

**insixdays777** · 07-31-2008, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by TwilightG

Does it have Cyber's magnet mod? I'd be very interested to see a comparison. From the sound of it, the mag mod has done wonders for diy pneumags. Unfortunately it wasn't available when I ordered the G-Force frame. (I don't think)

Hopefully we can get a few reviews and comparisons of DIY vs. G-Force. Either way, $200 for a production pneu-frame is a good deal (assuming that we get more than a manual

)

No my DYI does not have the mag mod nor can it take it...the MPV-! lever arm is too short for the install.

**warbeak2099** · 07-31-2008, 12:08 PM

The G-Force frame can't take the magnet mod although it would be that much cooler if it could. It doesn't use a lever on the MSV-1. The top of the trigger directly hits the MSV-1 piston.

**temps** · 07-31-2008, 12:21 PM

That looks pretty sweet.. I'd like to get my hands on one of those actuators... And the 25-30 psi working range is just incredible...

**robertsr1811** · 07-31-2008, 01:24 PM

It also looks to be the exact same prototype frame we saw last year.

Check the pics from the PDF and the beginning of the dealer's thread. I personally see what look to be a lot of the same mill marks.

Also, if you'll recall, one of the holdup excuses was that they were going to drill a hole in the back of the frame to manually actuate the sear so you could pop the on/off to take out the valve. I don't see a hole, which means that either this isn't a production frame, or that partiular excuse was 100% bogus.

This does not at all even begin to prove to me that there are 100 or even 10 of these frames ready for delivery.

I'll believe it when I see photos of more than one frame. I still hope this turns out good for everyone. I still think there will be a lot of angry customers.

**drg** · 07-31-2008, 02:12 PM

The simple addition of a trigger spring is a huge difference between these frames and most DIY frames. That alone will make them function a lot better.

It does not need a magnet mod.

**MANN** · 07-31-2008, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by drg

It does not need a magnet mod.

springs wear/break. magnets dont.

While the design does look to have some positive attributes I curious as to seeing it in action. I know my pneu or epneu can preform. I also know that my lpr can regulate my 1200 psi from my tank. This looks very similar to what has been designed before. (going to look for pic)

**MANN** · 07-31-2008, 03:24 PM

I still wonder about the patent. this looks similar.

I had another one that was different (basicly an upside down version of this), but cant seem to find it. I believe its on my wifes computer.

**robnix** · 07-31-2008, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by drg

The simple addition of a trigger spring is a huge difference between these frames and most DIY frames. That alone will make them function a lot better.

It does not need a magnet mod.

You can't beat the snappiness of a magnetic return though, an adjustable magnetic trigger is even nicer.

**Smoothice** · 07-31-2008, 03:45 PM

I'm personally a little worried about the sear arm extender.

While I think it is a neat idea to extend the arm.

It seems to be the one weak link. Just a few dabs of epoxy are supposed to hold the key feature together for thousands of cycles?

I hope Garf did some thorough testing. Lets hope he used this extra 7 months wisely.

I feel like it would have probably been cheaper and easier and possibly more reliable to have just made a new sear with a longer arm.

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