New Frame Vote - Pick the frame you think we should make!!!

[Pneumagger]

So I have pricing quotes and anodizing quotes and I'm pretty happy with where we stand. At this point, we need to vote on a frame to make.
I'll put the finishing touches on that model, draft it up, an send it out for production.
Before we accept preorders, we are thinking of producing a prototype so everyone can see what thing looks like in RL.
Keep in mind that this pricing quote includes the frame, trigger, and anodizing (polished or flat).
It does not include shipping, grips, or other AGD parts. Anodizing must be a single solid color choice - no 'color mathing', sorry.

Pictured below are the options.There are three styles to choose from that come in two varieties, Standard .45 and Enhanced Eclipse.
I trust that you can deduce the differences. I will only say that no options are "drop-in" ready for pneumatic conversion.
One frame uses a 15 degree integrated ASA, one uses a -5 degree integrated ASA, an the third uses an extension that fits AGD ASAs.

These frames should work with non AGD twistlock bodies. non twistlock bodies will fit the production frame, but there will be no hole for the twistlock assembly.
I suggest using Doc's A/C twistlock adapter if you rally want to use this on a classic/MM body.

Prices are shown as a $25 range because there are always unknowns and hidden costs.
I do think the lower number is more accurate though.

[mpsd]

First vote!

I really liked the 15 degree integrated ASA and that one has my vote. Still, which-ever wins, I'll take it! Have a Chord V1 and a 10 o-clock EMAX valve waiting for it.

How about the trigger? Does that price includes it as well? Can you put a pic of would that trigger look when ready?

[Pneumagger]

We need to hit 25-50 frames for this price range.
If we hit 100 frames ( ), we get another small price break.

[Sundown]

Good job man, I never posted on the other thread but I followed and read it.
Great idea and nice work

[matteusz]

At this point, we need to vote on a frame to make.
I'll put the finishing touches on that model, draft it up, an send it out for production.
Before we accept preorders, we are thinking of producing a prototype so everyone can see what thing looks like in RL.

It would be really nice if you would do this. I think more people (even the ones who don't vote or vote for other styles) will get on board and order a frame if they can see once completed and assembled and shooting.

Keep in mind that this pricing quote includes the frame, trigger, and anodizing (polished or flat). It does not include shipping, grips, or other AGD parts.

Gloss black annodized is lovely and goes with so many other parts it should be no big deal.

What about grip screws? Will you be including these or at least threading them the same as other AGD frames?

I will only say that no options are "drop-in" ready for pneumatic conversion.

Ok not "drop in" but not needing further mods right? As in there are places for the parts I just need to know what I am doing right?

Such an awesome project.

[Pneumagger]

Gloss black annodized is lovely and goes with so many other parts it should be no big deal.
That about grip screws? Will you be including these or at least threading them the same as other AGD frames?

All grip screws will be included. The end user can supply the grip panel they want.
I see no reason why grips should be provided when most people swap them out anyway.
I was referring to the RTP sear assembly.

BTW, Gruntbull will be doing the anodizing - so no worries there.

Ok not "drop in" but not needing further mods right? As in there are places for the parts I just need to know what I am doing right?
Such an awesome project.

You'll need a few drill bits/taps and such just as if you were doing a normal pneumag. No more work than a typical intelliframe and no less work.
Just different positioning. The MPA sits vertically, the 3way rod might have to it lower... but it's all basically the same modification.

[DanMan]

enhanced eclipse is an 80 ish degree frame? right?

[Looper]

Ok, Just so I vote for the one I want... I would like to vote for the below frame with a 15 deg integrated ASA (looking for the MPA Pocket, will that be in all versions?)

[trevorjk]

either im to tired to see it... but what is the difference between standard 45 and enhanced eclipse?

also, with the integrated rail. wouldnt that lower where the trigger rod comes out in the frame since you are essentially lossing the top part of the trigger frame? if im looking at this right, wouldnt this lower the trigger rod in the grip frame? or if the trigger rod comes out in the same place, wouldnt that create a totally different feeling trigger pull because of the angle of the trigger rod?

just a few questions thats all

[sebastianbalogh]

Wow, this is looking really nice! I much prefer the option with the extension for putting differrent foregrips, but all three arrangements are nice. I'm also very pleased with the price range, very reasonable. I'm dying to see the prototype!

[Hilltop Customs]

also, with the integrated rail. wouldnt that lower where the trigger rod comes out in the frame since you are essentially lossing the top part of the trigger frame? if im looking at this right, wouldnt this lower the trigger rod in the grip frame? or if the trigger rod comes out in the same place, wouldnt that create a totally different feeling trigger pull because of the angle of the trigger rod?

yes, compared to the trigger pivot point the trigger rod will be lower. It will make a slightly stiffer, but shorter trigger pull. The amount of change will depend on how much lower the contact point between the trigger and rod will be.(than the stock trigger and rod) It could be a very significant change in pull depending on the location of the contact point. Theres no real way to get around this since it would cause all kinds of problems if the rod was angled upwards from the sear to the trigger.(it would be possible if there was a pocket milled into the back of the trigger, and the rod was always contained in the pocket...)

On the otherhand, a pneumag will still function the exact same.

[Duzzy]

I think that overall you would sell more units if you went with the rail extension and offered the ASA as a side accessory. Or link them to where they can buy both.

Personally, I would not buy a frame with a forward 15 degree ASA because I find it extremely uncomfortable. Some people like them. Give both options and you can sell to both crowds.

Just my two cents.

[sebastianbalogh]

I think that overall you would sell more units if you went with the rail extension and offered the ASA as a side accessory. Or link them to where they can buy both.

Personally, I would not buy a frame with a forward 15 degree ASA because I find it extremely uncomfortable. Some people like them. Give both options and you can sell to both crowds.

Just my two cents.

Well said, Duzzy, I completely agree.

[UberWigget]

I think that overall you would sell more units if you went with the rail extension and offered the ASA as a side accessory. Or link them to where they can buy both.

Personally, I would not buy a frame with a forward 15 degree ASA because I find it extremely uncomfortable. Some people like them. Give both options and you can sell to both crowds.

Just my two cents.

Agreed.

Imo I think you should go with the the Rail extension and the 15*. A lot of people seem to like the 15*, I'm not to big of a fan of them though. But if you made the rail extension as well, there are many more setup possibilities and I think it would attract more buyers as well.

[[NA]WARLORD]

Although I love the frame in row #2, Duzzy does have a point. Also, if you make the 15* adapter, you need to make it were it will mount forwards or backwards in case the customer wants to change it, like a universal adapter.

[sdawg]

Looks awesome. Will it be tapped for a screw to hold in the ram on a pneumag set-up? could it have a hole and pin for triggering the switch, like on an intelliframe? I'm not sure I'm being clear.

[zondo]

I don't think that either design is a deal breaker IMO, although I'd rank them as (2), (3), then (1). Have you figured out how much weight you are saving as a result of integrating the rail and frame?

[Ninjeff]

yea, i hate 15* asa's. The -5* would be a deal maker for me. And absolute deal maker. The 15* one? a deal breaker. I just cant shoot with the fore grip swept out like that.

Rail extension one? I'd buy it. I voted for the -5 one, but i'd buy the rail extension one anyway.

[LFD92]

I like the -5 and 15 degree, but I too am wondering exactly what the "enhanced eclipse" is. Apparently, I'm supposed to know the diference, but I don't....

Also, I don't see it mentioned anywhere, nor has anyone asked. Are the -5 and 15 degree frame's VA gas through? I don't see a tapped port, or even a port at all (but I realize it may be on the unshown side. If neither are going to be gas through, I would have to go with the 3rd shown design...

[mr doo doo]

voted for the -5* one, like the feel of a reversed foregrip compared to a 15* foregrip. and also, it seems like it will fit mroe flush with the body. actually, why is it that the 15* wont fit flush with the body?

[spwz99]

voted for 15 degree with eclipse grips, but i pretty much just picked one of the 15 degree options, that's the important feature for me.

[UberWigget]

Oh so the enhanced eclipse means having holes for ego grips?

[warbeak2099]

That 15* style looks infinitely better than the other options. It looks perfect!

[garbageman705]

Will these be premilled to accept the MSV2 and the ram thingie?

[chafnerjr]

I totally dig the integrated rail! Though I wonder how this will change the feel of the gun? Probably not too much in the grand scheme of things...Weight is a big factor though. The savings would be quite welcome. Now if you could only figure out how to design a frame so that my mag will operate at 400 psi and I'll buy 12

Seriously though, nice work. I voted for the extension because... well let's face it, all of us like to agree to disagree. Everyone is different and likes different things. I would either make BOTH the 15° and the -5° regardless of grip style or go with the extension. I do have to say that you're offerings are a great price!!! 150 to 175 on the high end of your voting is pretty cheap considering your getting a frame, rail, and possibly a CA. I could be building new mags for way cheaper then before.

Keep up the good work man!

[Dark Side]

I really like this design. Allows the owner to customize as wanted/needed. Looks as though it would also hide the air line if a Pneupack was used.

[Rudz]

15 degree ftw, sorry guys, but actions speak louder than words, apparantly the silent majority prefer 15* asa positions, im sure if the integrated rail version could get 25 or more votes, maybe joe would make both but as of right now, looks like we may have our winner

[chafnerjr]

15 degree ftw, sorry guys, but actions speak louder than words, apparantly the silent majority prefer 15* asa positions, im sure if the integrated rail version could get 25 or more votes, maybe joe would make both but as of right now, looks like we may have our winner

I don't know about that... 34 votes for 15° and 27 votes (currently) for non 15° options. By choosing the integrated CA he'd be loosing out on half (assuming every vote turned into a purchase) of the potential customer base. By using the extension everyone could get what they want. By skipping the integrated CA he would only need to produce one design rather than two. Seems like a better business model that could spawn further design options... One way or the other, I totally dig the idea of the integrated rail! I wish you the very best of luck with this... if you make some before I build my wife's gun (feb/march) I will certainly look at this as an option.

[snoopay700]

Ah dang it, you put them in different orders and i ended up votind for the one i didn't want to

[chafnerjr]

Just had another thought... am I correct to assume that you could not "sleeper" pneu this frame? You'd have to mill out the hump at the bottom where the grip screws in... not a big deal but I'm wondering if someone smarter than I can think of a way to do it. I just had the thought because it looks like it's got more room in it than the intelliframe, more like the UMF, but you all would know better than I.