Integrated Rail Gripframe?

[TimmyJay]

Anyone attempt making something like this? Sorry for the poor design skills.... Eliminating the rail and dropping the sear into the grip frame.

[OPBN]

http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...7&page=1&pp=30

[TimmyJay]

Thanks for the link...Looks like it lost steam...

[OPBN]

It did.

[steve_81]

Well let's get it going again.

[OPBN]

It has been bandied about a recently. I think part of the problem is people wanted integrated ASAs as well. Then you got into whether they wanted vert, forward angled or back angled.

[Carnage reigns]

Talk to Xmagterror. He said he's looking to make projects that the community is looking for.

[knownothingmags]

it would be nice if the weight was compensated you would ule all the way through on this since it has the suppor of grip frame as well.

neet idea.
make it luke ill buy one if it was rethunk alittle bit.

but waiting years for a preorder will definently be out of my realm of waiting.

i like it. heck then you only need 3 major parts for a AGD marker now uni body and uni frame valve.

it would be nice if this came to the light.

[OPBN]

Smexy. Would look awesome with Xmags new MM body.....

Would be nice to see the frame tapped for an LPR.

[steve_81]

I'd be in for one.

[Fatalis]

I'd be in for one.

+ 1

[TimmyJay]

Glad I re-started something. Too bad it would be another part I couldn't justify ordering.

[cougar20th]

The idea gets kicked around every couple years. Unfortunatly there is not a simple solution. Ive tryed. the easiest would be to just blend a rail to the top of a frame. But that wouldnt be worth the hassle or the extra machining cost. That is the killer with something like this the machining cost. Your starting with a larger block of material & cutting most of it away.

[Carnage reigns]

The idea gets kicked around every couple years. Unfortunatly there is not a simple solution. Ive tryed. the easiest would be to just blend a rail to the top of a frame. But that wouldnt be worth the hassle or the extra machining cost. That is the killer with something like this the machining cost. Your starting with a larger block of material & cutting most of it away.

How much would it cost per frame for an order of 50? Is it over $200? That seems to be a fare amount.

[TimmyJay]

If you have to go through that much work and material then tack a body onto this as well.

Body/Rail/Frame = 1 piece

It would justify paying more $$$ for and probably not have much more material then the rail and frame together.

[cougar20th]

If you have to go through that much work and material then tack a body onto this as well.

Body/Rail/Frame = 1 piece

It would justify paying more $$$ for and probably not have much more material then the rail and frame together.

Doing that has many issues, the first is that it can not be machined. So it cant be built.

Lets say it can be built just for this posts purpuse. You probably double or tripple the raw material cost and do the same for the machine time. Around my area its gonna cost you around 100/hr for machine time if not more now. I havent checked this year. So between the raw material & the milling you have made a very very expensive frame/rail/body. But it doesnt matter because it cant be machined. You would have to use a process like laser metal sintering and im not sure the durability of that and I have no clue how you would get parts into it.

Carnage reigns: The short answer. For a finished complete anodized frame I would expect it would be over that. Machine time to remove the extra material is the killer.

[TimmyJay]

I'm not a machinist, but it doesn't seem impossible. The body may need to take on extra milling to reach the nooks of the sear location.

Just trying to think outside the box. It's always fun to see new things develop.

[OPBN]

As far as I know it would be impossible to mill the sear slot on an integrated body/rail/frame combo. Im not a machinist, but I have seen some milling machines in action and not sure if they are capable of machining inside a body at a 90* angle. While I really like the idea of a integrated rail/frame, I have a feeling it would be cost prohibitive. Not sure why though since some SP makers seems to have it and they werent ridiculously priced. Probably has to do with running 100k of them and running 100 of them.

[cougar20th]

I'm not a machinist, but it doesn't seem impossible. The body may need to take on extra milling to reach the nooks of the sear location.

Just trying to think outside the box. It's always fun to see new things develop.

You are right it may not be impossible. Because if it really needs to be done someone will come up with a way to do it. It wont be by conventional tooling thus the cost is exponentially higher.

Ive thought of many ways to get it done including edm. Just not worth the costs.

[captian pinky]

missed something. what was impossible?

[cougar20th]

the impossible is a rail,grip,body combo

[pgop2.0]

I'm not sure how I feel about a uni-frame/rail. When I first got into mags the only difference between most of them was the powder coat. Fast forward 15 years and Mags are the most customizable markers out there. Sure this would only add to the huge variety of Mags out there, but in and of itself it would actually be less custom....

Just my 2 cents

[Flatliner333]

^^^ That ^^^

[captian pinky]

I don't see why miilling the frame rail combo would be impossible.

[TimmyJay]

The impossible discussion is based on a one piece body, rail, gripframe combo.

gripframe & rail combo is possible, just being quoted as too expensive to be practical.

[captian pinky]

easy way to fix the problem is to do removable trigger guard.

[splat15k]

I'm not sure how I feel about a uni-frame/rail. When I first got into mags the only difference between most of them was the powder coat. Fast forward 15 years and Mags are the most customizable markers out there. Sure this would only add to the huge variety of Mags out there, but in and of itself it would actually be less custom....

Just my 2 cents

So using this logic, the Shockwave is "less custom" because it has a unibody design. I don't think that really holds true.

You were going in right direction in the first place:

this would only add to the huge variety of Mags out there

That's what it's all about in the end: more options!

[pgop2.0]

We don't disagree. From a personal preference standpoint I would rather see products that created more options rather than fewer. Just like the Shockwave, I wouldn't buy it because it would make my marker less unique. That and the Shockwave looks like the "flompy mud wave" to me.

[BigEvil]

Something 'we' have been working on for over a year.



Yes, its an electro. Yes, the front grip comes off and you can replace it with anything that can be mounted to a mag rail.

It will be altered to fit P8nt's new Universal Board when they are available. Im not building anything else with UTBs since they are going away.

I also have to find someone to make the damn thing.

[OPBN]

^^^ Would look really nice with a capped valve and foregrip mounted HPR.....In for a penny, in for a pound.