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  1. #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by dahoeb
    Just to pursue this interesting discussion:

    I think the reason most people simply refer to the redistribution of wealth or any other "nanny state welfare program (ex. universal healthcare) as "socialist" is simply because they (and I, for that matter) lack a more easy way to describe what that type of system is without writing a Master's Thesis on political science.

    Even when one asks Google, "What is socialism?" it will tell you, "A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole". It may not be precise to what our good friend Marx advocated or it might be missing the key detail you describe ("you must put into the system to take out") but I think the meaning and definition has simply been morphed by society or evolved to suit the times.
    But ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange does not address the social welfare portion of it. I think people mistake social welfare programs as automatically being socialist in nature. They are not because these programs do not address the means of production.

    Theoretically socialism should operate very similarly to capitalism but with the community as a whole benefitting from any profits from the means of production. The fault lies that, without extrinsic motivation to create something of value (ie profit), advancement is slowed.
    "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess

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    They are just adding a layer (the government) between the producers (taxpayers) and the consumers (welfare recipients). Our gubment welfare programs may not conform to the historical or ideal model of socialism but it still walks and quacks like the proverbial duck.

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    Zombie phone?

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    Cut off it's head quickly before it infects other threads!

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    The Obamaphone is so 2012....this is 2013, where we have an IRS that targets specific political beliefs, a DOJ that treats journalists like criminals and a government that refused to even try to help those in Benghazi and lied to the public about the reasons for the attack for weeks.

    (Throws the match and walks away )
    HARDY HAR HAR!

    And we're just gonna put a happy little bush in the corner right there, and it'll be our little secret. AND IF YOU TELL ANYONE! THAT, THAT BUSH IS THERE! I WILL COME TO YOUR HOUSE! AND I WILL CUT YOU!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dahoeb View Post
    The Obamaphone is so 2012....this is 2013, where we have an IRS that targets specific political beliefs, a DOJ that treats journalists like criminals and a government that refused to even try to help those in Benghazi and lied to the public about the reasons for the attack for weeks.

    (Throws the match and walks away )


    I'm a little ashamed that myself an several of my family members just changed to "unenrolled".

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