So the air in the chamber in front of the on/off is what pushes the paint? So the volume behind the on/off doesn't matter?
This also makes me wonder, although I doubt it because you still have the restrictive on off... would this help the valve recharge any faster than a standard full valve?
The low pressure air has to travel farther to get to the front chamber using the remote regulator in this setup than with the AIR mounted directly on the valve and has more potential for restrictions. Therefore, the final top-up has the potential to take longer if everything isn't working really well.
Except for the Automag in front, its usually the man behind the equipment that counts.
Got ya, that's what I figured
As a quick update. I spoke with Deus Machina and he may only have enough material to make 3-4 ofcaps and may not have access to facilities to make any more for the foreseeable future. We may need to discuss whether XMT can make the caps or if we want to see if the idea of an alternate design is feasible.
Making the back caps is not a problem but if i did them i would like to add a burst disc (like the ones used on HPA tanks) to the design for safety.
Edit* I aren't burst discs 1/8" NPT? If so, works for me....
Last edited by OPBN; 03-21-2013 at 02:00 PM.
If this is a sole operation front half though I am still interested. He can put a co2 bust disk in the back for his liability protection. We can remove it for a gauge or whatever we want to fit our needs. Works for me.
I don't see a reason it shouldn't be able to be either. All the milling on the front is the same.
Burst disk on the valve is completely unnecessary.
Id be in for a cap as long as the finish is smooth and not crosshatched, it could be tapped for a gauge or not. Doesn't matter to me
I thought I remembered more rules like the type of hoppers you could use and how many electronic markers you could have on one team.
I say, save your money, use your xvalve and don't set it up to RT.
This is my cap'd valve and I think it works great. Deus polished it and tapped the back per my request. I would like to see a valve made with this style cap built in as a solid unit.
It reads the same for the Ten Man as well:11. Marker
11.01 Will be capped at 10 balls per second with no ramping.
12. Other Equipment
12.01 Players may carry any number of pouches, clips or loaders.
12.02 Open and Tactical teams may use radios. Pro Teams can not
12.03 Players may carry extra constant air tanks.
12.05 Two live players may exchange equipment. A dead player may not exchange/leave equipment 12.06 Vests and pouches may not be constructed in such a fashion that they constitute padding. 12.07 live players may not trade equipment with dead players
But in Ten man it does state that you can have a heavy gunner that can shoot at any rate of fire.
I would think as long as you could show them the valve does not bounce they'd be OK with it?
Like letting one of the tournament operators test the gun for it?
Thanks for the input. Some of us want this for other purposes. If you're not interested, cool. No need to spend your efforts trying to kill a project that others may want.Originally Posted by zondo
Last edited by OPBN; 03-22-2013 at 06:05 AM.
In my opinion, this thread needs to die and a poll needs to be taken. I really only see one main person, and couple others with their toes in the water on "wanting" this done... that's 3/50, that doesn't pay the bills...
All I want is a cap for $20-$30 or however much they are... if that shaves 7oz of reg off the back and moves the weight forward with a different reg I'm all for it, id rather have a good balance than worry about weight... if the guns harder to manipulate that's when you feel the heft.
I understand, it can be annodized and matched etc, but its still a classic valve half... for an unknown price, just guesstimates.
But back to my original thought, I say a poll be taken, for 100% I would buy this, not, well maybe if it has blah blah... just assume its only the valve front.
And make a second poll on caps as well.
Edit: I'm also going to bet in the end whether the design ends up with a cap or one built it its around $150
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