Maximum Cycle rate. Or.... nerobro using data without comfirming it himself
ok, first is a quote from butterfingersAO:
As I said on AO, the number I got was froma coupple years back.
I have a correction...
A spyder's cyclic rate is not 40 CPS.
When a spyder is allowed to cycle without the sear the bolt will only recock partially and IMHO should not be counted as a full cycle.
The automag RT has a yet unknown max cyclic capability there has not yet been an airsystem capable of keeping up with the ROF of an RT valve.
The claimed Rate of fire that AGD produces is ROF without shootdown, not to be confused with max cyclic rate. This is the ROF that the RT valve is able to produce without loosing ANY velocity. The valve will continue to cycle past this number with slight shootdown.
We at modified paintball have acheived 30 CPS with an open scuba the valve produced full cycles locking the sear and delivering a near full blast of air upon sound analysis with a microphone mounted near the breach.
Given a cycle time of 20ms verified electronically the RT valve has a maximum theorectical cyclic rate of 50 cps where the sear actually locks the bolt and releases it. If you want to count half cycles this number could very well be into the hundreds.
When the sear is removed from a spyder, the gun will completely cycle so long as there is enough pressure to cycle the gun. If it didn't it wouldn't be able to recock that first time either. It is a full cycle and will be counted as such ;-) (now the question is, how do you supply enough gas for that... IIRC the guy who tested it hooked the gun up to a 20# co2 tank. But at this point we're talking 3-4 year old data. I'm happy to run another test though... in fact you should have data sometime next week.) Actually a few people on AO were offering up wav files. I'll try to track one down and count the spikes. I'll say it's at least 30 ;-) ( and that can be changed to taste by lightening the hammer and bolt, and by putting in heavier springs)
With that setup, the spyder would be being fed 800psi, essentially unrestricted. Being recharged through a hose tha'ts 1/8npt the whole way. In theroy, recharging faster than an RT becuase it's recharging WHILE the gun is fireing and cycling. Not after the fact.
The Max Cyclic rate of the RT is known. On the dyno it can completely recharge 26 times a seccond. Given the recharge cuvre (curve.. heh.. it's a straight line) once you get past 26bps the RT drops off. FAST. Hmm... now that seems funny. You need to give the gun some time to cycle, then time to recharge given the design... Grrrr... Maybe it's time to crosspost this with AO. I'll take it to deep blue tonight.
so that's what I had to say on the subject there. 315159 and I will get the REAL number later this week. But the questions are... What can an e-mag REALLY do. Given the numbers from the Tech class at 20bps the emag is holding down the sear for 80% of a seccond... leaving only 20% of the time for recharge of the valve.
There's something funny going on here.........
Again, I'll have the maximum cycle rate for a stock fatty strikered spyder type gun soon.
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