** Official Level 10 Problems Thread **

[rtpro2002]

hey room can any one tell me. if mags shoot well with lp tanks . just wondering

[minimag187]

Gas is leaking down my barrel with my lvl 10 minimag when I gas it up.

I got it fixed, using longer spring and a new carrier.

[RoadDawg]

OK. My problem is I got a huge leak down the barrel. I'm trying to remove the carrier but I can't get it out. What is the easiest to get it out and is that really the problem. Thanx for the help. Oh it is also on my Minimag w/ Retrovalve.

[dugger]

i have used a dental pick, paperclip, and a nail punch. i dont recommend the nail punch.
-dugger

[RoadDawg]

Man this thing is in tight. My dental pic isn't budging it. Any ideas?

[dugger]

if you have 2 of them (dental picks), try to apply force on opposite sides of the carrier. you may be unevenly applying force and making your job more difficult. otherwise, if you can get a hold of a nylon bolt and force thread it into the carrier you may be able to pry it without damaging the carrier. other than that, i am pretty much out of ideas. how much force did you have to apply to get it in there to begin with? it shouldn't have needed much...

-dugger

[RoadDawg]

Woo Hoo. I finally got it out. A dental pick and a paper clip finally got it out. It didn't take much to get it in. I think I was putting uneven pressure. Thanx for your help.

[Irish Deth]

Hello,

Just a thought, could ADG please post the instructions for installing the Lvl 10 somewhere that makes sense - Like Tech manuals, or faqs, or heck - maybe under the spare parts listing. I found it once, so it wasn't hidden well enough, now I can't remeber where that was and I can't find it......

[dugger]

you may have a point....
however, i found that going to www.automags.org (also found at the bottom of every page of these threads), and clicking on the "level 10" graphic took me to a couple of sets of instructions.
-dugger
ps google works well also.

[Havoc_online]

Tankdriver
can you follow up, were you just low on air? A A.I.R. valve with level 10 shouldnt need a full 800psi to cycle, more like 600 or so. stick to cut spring and the biggest carrier that doesnt leak.(if you feel the standard spring isnt soft enough.)

Lakeview Bulldog
It's not hard, just read. Besides, if anything does happen, that's what this thread is for. Most problems are minor and quick to fix.

rtpro2002
Mags love high pressure like ppl love money

RoadDawg dugger
the certified tool for removing the carrier is the field strip screw. give it a few turns and pull.

Irish Deth
incase you didnt already find it, just goto "paintball talk" - the classic thread "all level 10 info here"

[dugger]

thanks havoc, i will pass that along whenever i get asked. i never even thought of that.
-dugger

[Tankdriver]

Finally got my co2 filled. Screwed it in, a small leak out the back, i turn down the velocity, leak disappears. I proceed to dry fire ~50 shots, then after that, the bolt would only move forward about halfway before it retracts. Is this a problem with shims(i.e not venting?) or carrier size? Currently using the middle spring with 1.5 carrier. Previous attempts with the 2.0 carrier resulted in a small leak down the barrel.

PS Turning up the velocity at this point doesn't do anything. The bolt moves halfway still and makes the Pssst noise.

Another thought- Could it be that using co2 reduces the temperature thus causing the carrier/o ring to shrink and therefore increasing the friction that the bolt needs to overcome to fire?

[Havoc_online]

I'm going to assume you didnt chrono when you shot the 50 times. It sounds like you need to get your velocity up some more(till it fires reliably, to do that you may need a new reg. piston.(check the o'ring on the reg. piston just incase).

It's not a shim problem.

[Tankdriver]

Nope, don't have a chrono.

This firing for about ~50 shots, then stops firing completely is frustrating. I can't be expected to bring a hex wrench onto the game and tinker with my velocity mid game.

Ok, going to give AGD a call for a new piston. I'm 99% positive it's not the carrier size/spring/shim issue. If that doesn't work, an RA might be in order.

[Greg711]

Might be a dumb question, but the LVL 10 does work ok with CO2, right?

[dugger]

works great for me.
-dugger

[MINIMAG4LIFE]

My lv 10 foamy keeps blowing off, Ive tried super glue and it still blows off, I've noticed that the gun shoots balls without it, is it necessary? How do i keep it on?
Does anyone have a text manual on the lv 10?

[Havoc_online]

I responded to your other thread before you posted here

[magzown3]

I am having trouble with shooting my mag w/ lvl 10 indoors where the fps is 250 max. Sometimes the gun will shoot and sometimes it doesnt, especially while rapid fire. I have the main spring in...what could be the reason for this?

[Mickster]

Hey fitted my level 10 fine no leak which i was expecting, however when i fire a shot it fires fine however when i fire another shot it just burps. If i fire slowly like 1 shot a second it works but as soon as i try and fire fast it burps every second shot.

any ideas please

cheers

[Mr Orange]

Hello all,
I have finally found my place in the mag family. It's a classic RT. I just love how the trigger feels, and it's a dead sexy gun. I installed level 10 today. And now I am having two issues. The first is the one the mickster stated above, and the second is that my RT's trigger doesn't feel quite as "reactive" is this normal for LX in an RT or did I do something wrong?

LMK
Leo Jr.

[rehme]

ok sometimes when i put my finger in the power feed my lvl 10 will hit my finger and stay back but other times it does what it suppose to when the bolt stays forward it lets the air out this has never happened when i was playing but i am using the .5 carrier with longest spring with 4 shims i am using a mini mag with rt valve sorry if this has already been posted in the thread takes to long to read all of the post

[Havoc_online]

magzown3 the level 10 works best at higher velocities. Since your already using the cut spring, just make sure your using the biggest carrier that doesnt leak.

Mickster, Mr Orange, try turning up your velocity a bit(if you were not already chrono'd)

rehme is the .5 carrier the "broken in" one? Also, have you tried your setting with less shims?

[spawnboy]

I've been jacking with this thing for a couple days now and i can't get it to function properly.

Classic 68
Aftermarket PMI Reg
Hyperframe
output at around 700-750

1. I used the 2 carrier with 2 shims and the small spring. Had a small leak down barrel. Would sometimes stop but would start up when I shot again. Did the dollar test and would crush my buck! I took 1 shim out and it would not even fire.

2. I used the 2.5 carrier with 1 shim and cut spring. It just wanted to leak down the barrel.

3. Switched to 2 carrier with 1 shim and cut spring. It made the fully auto reaction with out me touching the trigger.

My head hurts from the clumps of hair I have pulled out.

spawner

[ogre55]

spawnboy: Have you tried using a smaller carrier? Remember that as you switch between carriers you need to keep using the same carrier o-ring.

Ogre

[spawnboy]

Here is what I got now.

My output is at 800+ now and my valve is about as high as it can go.

#1 carrier, the longest spring and 3 shims. I'm still smashing my dollar pretty good. The bolt pushes the dollar in toward the barrel. It gets stuck and my dollar is folded so it's pretty thick.

Am I getting anywhere?

[XxslayerxX]

When i first installed it, it worked great but acouple of days later i was in a game and my gun wouldnt fire. I found out that the bolt wasnt clicking back far enough. I had to use my barrel swap to get it to click in. what should i do?

[Havoc_online]

spawnboy
take off the PMI reg. you dont need it, your just going to starve your valve of air. If you get a barrel leak, it usually means you need to go down a carrier. As Orge said, you need to use the same o'ring when you do this. Just try the 1.5 carrier with 2 shims and the long spring with that same o'ring(without the PMI reg). Before you gas up, back your velocity out so it doesnt fire, then slowly turn it up bit by bit till the marker fires reliably. Tell us how it goes.

XxslayerxX
what type of valve and settings?

[spawnboy]

I don't have the original reg. This valve and reg were given to me and I have just added on.

Went to a .5 carrier w/ 3 shims longest spring. Backed my output to 775 and back my velocity too. She works but still hard on the dollar.

spawner

[Havoc_online]

what do you mean? The valve IS a reg, you dont need anything else. You have a pic of your set-up?