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    Bye bye paintball. Heres what I bought with my cash out check!

    My TC Encore .270 WSM!

    FDA Approved Whitetail deer medicine

    LMK what you think, pic is crummy, Ill have better pics somtime.
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    Good to know that somone of Tom's status seeks "relief" from a sport he helped create. A sport now ruled by a single patent.

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    Not a hunter, but nice rifle either way!

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    that scope looks friggn' huge man. Nice rifel, I miss going hunting.
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    Encore's are superb shooters. I have one I use for black powder alongside my Ausitn and Halleck 320.

    Both of them are capable of less than 1/2 inch groups.

    Enjoy that piece, it's a nice one.

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    Nice rifle. My favorite rifle is by far the M-21 SWS(Sniper Weapon System), although I don't think it's available to civilians.

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    Very nice choice. Thompson makes some wonderful products... especially when it comes to muzzle loaders.

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    give me a droganov(sp?)


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    Nice rifle! Shot it yet? You gotta post some pics of its first kill. BTW ship me some venison

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    Personally, I'd like an Accuracy International AW50 =) (50 cal) MMMMMmmmm

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    Yeah....thats what I'M talking bout!!

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    to big to be a sniper to heavy to carry from spot to spot need smaller need lighter

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    your up against one of the dumbest animals out there, deer, and your so incapable of killing them any other way than sitting a football field or two away and blasting the things brains out. heaven forbid you try to actually use your "superior" intellect. i use the term lightly.

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    Originally posted by Archangel Damien
    to big to be a sniper to heavy to carry from spot to spot need smaller need lighter
    Did I say as a sniper rifle? Nope...just to shoot targets =)

    Originally posted by halB
    your up against one of the dumbest animals out there, deer, and your so incapable of killing them any other way than sitting a football field or two away and blasting the things brains out. heaven forbid you try to actually use your "superior" intellect. i use the term lightly.
    Same response as above...goes to your "superior" intellect. Also, I never said I needed a 50 cal to kill a deer did I (<-edit added "I")? No... you ASSUMED (we all know what happens when you do that) I NEEDED it...

    I said "Personally, I'd like an Accuracy International AW50 =) (50 cal) MMMMMmmmm " because I WANT one...

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    hal deer can smell like turkeys can see a guy on the outddor cahannel once said " darn these turkeys are hard as heck just imagine if they could smell like deer can" so deer arent all that easy and if you do get close to them they would probaly smell you before you saw them unless you have some really good scent blocker etc
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    Originally posted by halB
    your up against one of the dumbest animals out there, deer, and your so incapable of killing them any other way than sitting a football field or two away and blasting the things brains out. heaven forbid you try to actually use your "superior" intellect. i use the term lightly.
    Your ignorance with this post is amazing.

    Deer are among the wariest toughest creatures to hunt with any instrument. Period.

    "blasting the things brains out". No one I know makes head shots on deer. It's dangerous as the animal may move at the time of the shot, and may lead to a wounded animal rather than a clean killing shot.

    Deer are prey animals. In the US they have virtually No natural predators due to late 19th and early 20th century predator extermination campaigns.

    As a result of this, the deer population frequently exceeds the carrying capacity of the land they graze on and die off due to disease brought on by starvation occur.
    This has occurred in a major metro area near me in the last 5 years. Police "sharpshooters" were brought in to kill the animals over bait piles in the evenings.

    In the end they killed about 300 deer of all ages including some record book bucks.

    All of the venison taken was thrown away and not used for eating. Most of the deer shot were on the verge of dying due to extreme starvation. They had been destroying property and eating shrubs in the residential area to survive.

    The cost per animal to do this was 1700 dollars a piece.

    Now, they have instituted a controlled Bowhunting area there to keep the herd at a level suitable for the amount of browse there.

    In order to hunt this, you have to pass a shooting test with your bow, pass a background check, and have taken a deer with a bow prior to the season you're going to hunt there.

    The deer I see in that area in the evening all look and act very healthy, are wary of people again and have every sign that it's working.

    In two other neighboring areas the deer population is not being controlled and the deer are found dead from starvation quite often.

    Of course by your post it looks like this is preferable to having the herd be maintained by legal and ethical hunting methods ensuring the survival of the species.

    Do your homework before you spout off about this topic next time halb, you won't look so uninformed.
    Last edited by FactsOfLife; 10-30-2002 at 10:10 PM.

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    personal fav.
    Dragunova ( SVD )
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    H&K PSG1
    And the Walther WA2000, sweet lookin at least

    of course non "Sniper" rifles M1 garand, stock 1903, Mauser Kar 98k, and a bunch others....
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    i agree deer need to be hunted to reduce population. but i know guys who turn it from a sport to a slaughter... i also know guys that keep it in its sports mans tradition of out smarting the deer, not out shooting it...i mean comon anyone with a high powered rifle and a huge scope and drop a deer with reletive ease from a tree stand at close range... it takes a sportsman to get that same deer with iron sights andnothing else... but its all how you look at it...

    and yes you dont shoot at the head, you aim for what would be our arm pit area...


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    Thats a nice rifle, but do you have the 12 pack of bud yet? j/k

    Originally posted by FactsOfLife


    Your ignorance with this post is amazing.

    Deer are among the wariest toughest creatures to hunt with any instrument. Period.

    "blasting the things brains out". No one I know makes head shots on deer. It's dangerous as the animal may move at the time of the shot, and may lead to a wounded animal rather than a clean killing shot.

    Deer are prey animals. In the US they have virtually No natural predators due to late 19th and early 20th century predator extermination campaigns.

    As a result of this, the deer population frequently exceeds the carrying capacity of the land they graze on and die off due to disease brought on by starvation occur.
    This has occurred in a major metro area near me in the last 5 years. Police "sharpshooters" were brought in to kill the animals over bait piles in the evenings.

    In the end they killed about 300 deer of all ages including some record book bucks.

    All of the venison taken was thrown away and not used for eating. Most of the deer shot were on the verge of dying due to extreme starvation. They had been destroying property and eating shrubs in the residential area to survive.

    The cost per animal to do this was 1700 dollars a piece.

    Now, they have instituted a controlled Bowhunting area there to keep the herd at a level suitable for the amount of browse there.

    In order to hunt this, you have to pass a shooting test with your bow, pass a background check, and have taken a deer with a bow prior to the season you're going to hunt there.

    The deer I see in that area in the evening all look and act very healthy, are wary of people again and have every sign that it's working.

    In two other neighboring areas the deer population is not being controlled and the deer are found dead from starvation quite often.

    Of course by your post it looks like this is preferable to having the herd be maintained by legal and ethical hunting methods ensuring the survival of the species.

    Do your homework before you spout off about this topic next time halb, you won't look so uninformed.


    Interesting extrapilation, I guess Jersey must have some damn stupid deer. I've been about 20 or 30 feet away from them, had the bucks hiss at me an refuse to leave, and had to yell at them to get them off the road. Can you guys come up here an help me out?

    Also, the reason that deer are over populated in most suburban areas is because we put housing developments everywhere and farmers killed all the wolves. Which may or may not have been a good thing.

    Either way, I give the thumbs up to responsible hunting as described, especially having eaten spicy deer jerky . Bow hunting definately seems harder though. So if i had a third thumb, it'd be up for bow hunting.

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    bow hunting is awesome. it has to be the toughest form of hunting, other than spear hunting wild boar, that I can think of.

    I've seen wild deer do some weird stuff too. Like put their hooves up on the tree I was hunting in. As if they wanted to get a closer look at me or something.

    Freshman, there's no doubt that habitat destruction is the number one cause of animal numbers increasing in populated areas.

    The animals didn't move out, we moved in...

    Deer are amazingly adaptable to urban areas. They love those flower gardens, that veggie garden you planted, shrubs, arborvitaes. It's one big buffet to them.

    The problem comes when the townies decide there's no more hunting in the town limits. Now the animal numbers are unchecked but the food source didn't increase.

    You get starvation. Simple as that. And it's an ugly way for any animal to die.

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    exactly, people who protest about the animals can feal the pain...ect. simple thing, . ok now your a deer, you are probibly gunna die, would you like to starve to death over a long period of time or have me put you out of your missery quick and painless?

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    Well, I'd rather not be in that position in the first place but yeah.

    Ah correction FOL, they love my parents flower gardens, not my jalapeno's (sp?)

    mmmmm spicey goodness

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    Originally posted by FactsOfLife


    Your ignorance with this post is amazing.

    Deer are among the wariest toughest creatures to hunt with any instrument. Period.

    "blasting the things brains out". No one I know makes head shots on deer. It's dangerous as the animal may move at the time of the shot, and may lead to a wounded animal rather than a clean killing shot.

    Deer are prey animals. In the US they have virtually No natural predators due to late 19th and early 20th century predator extermination campaigns.

    As a result of this, the deer population frequently exceeds the carrying capacity of the land they graze on and die off due to disease brought on by starvation occur.
    This has occurred in a major metro area near me in the last 5 years. Police "sharpshooters" were brought in to kill the animals over bait piles in the evenings.

    In the end they killed about 300 deer of all ages including some record book bucks.

    All of the venison taken was thrown away and not used for eating. Most of the deer shot were on the verge of dying due to extreme starvation. They had been destroying property and eating shrubs in the residential area to survive.

    The cost per animal to do this was 1700 dollars a piece.

    Now, they have instituted a controlled Bowhunting area there to keep the herd at a level suitable for the amount of browse there.

    In order to hunt this, you have to pass a shooting test with your bow, pass a background check, and have taken a deer with a bow prior to the season you're going to hunt there.

    The deer I see in that area in the evening all look and act very healthy, are wary of people again and have every sign that it's working.

    In two other neighboring areas the deer population is not being controlled and the deer are found dead from starvation quite often.

    Of course by your post it looks like this is preferable to having the herd be maintained by legal and ethical hunting methods ensuring the survival of the species.

    Do your homework before you spout off about this topic next time halb, you won't look so uninformed.
    typical hunters excuse. the deer population would even itself out with just one winter. yes deer would starve. animals starve, thats called nature. the weak die and the strong live. but by taking out animals, and mainly the strongest because you always go for the most points, you are dooming the deer population to weakness. i could use your same excuse and go kill the starving africans over in somolia or wherever the hell the latest famine is. theyre starving, theyre suffering, so lets lock and load and "control" their population.

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    Originally posted by halB


    typical hunters excuse. the deer population would even itself out with just one winter. yes deer would starve. animals starve, thats called nature. the weak die and the strong live. but by taking out animals, and mainly the strongest because you always go for the most points, you are dooming the deer population to weakness. i could use your same excuse and go kill the starving africans over in somolia or wherever the hell the latest famine is. theyre starving, theyre suffering, so lets lock and load and "control" their population.
    save it for the uninformed halb.

    are you by any chance the same halb that got banned over on PBR?

    now as for the typical hunters excuse.

    I need no excuse to hunt. It is my right. It is my responsibility. You spek from total ignorance when you say yo'd rather let an animal starve over one winter.

    Typically it takes a few years of starvation for an animial to succumb to winter kill. It isn't pretty and as you so blithely put it" that's nature". It isn't nature, man during the early part of this century and conitnues today to disrupt nature. He took the majority of the predators out of the ecosystem. Now as a hunter, it is my JOB to keep animal numbers in check.

    Uninformed people like yourself who contribute NOTHING to conservationism and the upkeep of wildlife habitat are a joke. You sit there descrying hunting and hunters are neanderthals with no morals. You couldn't be further from the truth. It is Huning, and hunting ALONE that pays for conservation efforts in this country through the Pittman-Robertson act. Those monies to the tune of 15 oe so BILLION dollars a year are the direct source of EVERY CONSERVATION/WILDLIFE program in this country.

    It doesn't come from PETA. It doesn't come from ALF. It doesn't come from the average person paying taxes.

    It is SOLELY funded by a tax on all sporting goods that hunters and fisherman and trappers buy. and you know what? We pay it gladly because we don't have our heads up our keesters hoping that the animals will somehow just sort themselves out. We uderstand what our responsibility is and we gladly accept it.

    So please, once again, feel free to show your ignorance of this subject and reply.

    So far you're two for two.

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    Originally posted by halB
    not really, tell me how its different from killing the africans. you seemed to have forgotten that fact.

    now then for the money. too bad the majority of that money is squandered and payed to companies to log national forests and other appaling projects. id also like to see the stats that show 15 billion dollars, considering the sporting good industry doesnt produce that much money annually. contribute nothing to conservatism? are you calling yourself a conservationist by killing the strongest animals in nature? i bet you couldnt find the canadian lumber tarrif if it was standing right in front of you. its nature, even if there are few top predators. the population evens itself out. im also not so much adverse to hunting deer as i am to the way its done. you must be a big man to pick off a deer from several hundred yards. i bet it takes a lot of skill to sit up in a high hide, spray pheromones, and look through your scope and pulla trigger. must be as 1337 a sniper as salm. big man there big man. i bet it IS hard to pace yourself so you dont drink your whole 6 pack of beer in an hour. and even if you do go "stalk" your prey, you said it yourself, theyre overpopulated. in most places the damn things wander onto your property.

    i hope you feel good bout it.
    I figured this would be about the extent of your nonsense and I'm glad to see you didn't disappoint.

    Go back to pbreview halb. Oh that's right, you were banned there.

    With any luck, you'll be here soon as well.

    Your ignorance is astounding.

    So on to your "claims".

    Equating hunting animals with South Africans.

    This is so stupid I'm at a total loss as to where to start. Suffice it to say it's more of your inanity. And further goes to show, you have no idea what you're talking about.

    The monies that are in the Pittman Roberston act are by FEDERAL law untouchable by anyone outside of the duly appointed conservation offices around the US.

    Your supposition that somehow logging companies gut it is patently false and an outright lie.

    It's here where your true nature begins to show itself halb.

    Pisses you off that a bunch of hunters can generate 15 billion a year for their cause and your environmental whackos have a hard time coughing up 25 cents for anything.

    This is easily verifiable. You go do it. I have no need to disprove myself.

    You once again point out that you'd rather see animals starving than be shot and actually USED for something good.

    Lovely. And blind to reality. Ever seen a deer so starved it was stumbling just trying to walk straight halb? Somehow I doubt it. It's so easy to make stupid uninformed statements about something you know absolutely NOTHING about isn't it. I know, let's starve you. After all you equate humans and animals equally. Remember your asinine point about south africa?


    Now on to your next point about the skill involved in actually killing a deer.

    Yes it takes tremendous skill to make a 200 yard shot with a rifle. Your ignorance on this is amazing. Do you somehow think that guns with scope somehow shoot perfectly out of the box? Seems like you do.

    I couldn't even begin to count how many hours I've spent at the range making sure that when I pull the trigger that bullet goes exactly where it's supposed to.

    I can't even count how many bulets I've shot looking for the one that will make the clean instant kill on a deer and still be accurate enough to make that tough shot.

    Am I happy that when I look through my scope and pull the trigger that the bullet goes exactly where it's supposed to? You're damned right I am. Sounds to me like you're unhappy that the gun is TOO accurate? How stupid is that line of reasoning? Hacks wound animals. The uniformed wound the truth.

    " i bet it IS hard to pace yourself so you dont drink your whole 6 pack of beer in an hour."

    Typical from someone who knows NOTHING about hunting or being outdoors in general. Goes nicely with that pasty complexion of yours.

    First, I don't drink while hunting. Either before or after. Your supposition that I do is out of line.

    So how much of your animal rights handbook do you have left to quote from halb? So far you've use most of it up. Can't wait to see you start trying to think for yourself.

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    not really, tell me how its different from killing the africans. you seemed to have forgotten that fact.

    now then for the money. too bad the majority of that money is squandered and payed to companies to log national forests and other appaling projects. id also like to see the stats that show 15 billion dollars, considering the sporting good industry doesnt produce that much money annually. contribute nothing to conservatism? are you calling yourself a conservationist by killing the strongest animals in nature? i bet you couldnt find the canadian lumber tarrif if it was standing right in front of you. its nature, even if there are few top predators. the population evens itself out. im also not so much adverse to hunting deer as i am to the way its done. you must be a big man to pick off a deer from several hundred yards. i bet it takes a lot of skill to sit up in a high hide, spray pheromones, and look through your scope and pulla trigger. must be as 1337 a sniper as salm. big man there big man. i bet it IS hard to pace yourself so you dont drink your whole 6 pack of beer in an hour. and even if you do go "stalk" your prey, you said it yourself, theyre overpopulated. in most places the damn things wander onto your property.

    i hope you feel good bout it.

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    Hoppysmag... we were both kinda right.. but wrong in a way too It's Dragunov (with no a) maybe russian/german accents put an a sound on the end... (mind you this is per google.com lol) I search for Dragonov and it brought back Dragunov. Oh well... I think we all know what gun we're talking bout Nice piece... but boy oh boy.... you can't dismiss the fact that the AW50 is an intimidating piece of weaponry! I just want it to hang on my wall,if it'll stay up there!!!


    Not to flame... but sniff sniff... I smell a tree hugger!!

    Also HALB... there's absolutley NOTHING wrong with game hunting... as long as you use ALL of what you kill. By either eating it (have you ever had venison? Guess not) using it for clothing/blankets, using the entrails for making venison sausage etc. I do however agree that people killing game just to kill it are worthless and shouldn't be allowed to hunt. BUT most of the people who hunt do eat the meat, do use the coats (fur!) for blankets and other things including lining winter jackets. Also they use the bones for handles of knives that THEY GUILD!

    I understand you have a right to your opinion and I respect it..but.. don't think that just because somebody you read about or possibly know doesn't respect the game they kill, that EVERYONE who hunts or even the majority of hunters do the same! I know several people who primarily hunt with non-rifled black powder muzzle loaders... tell me thats unfair! They're not accurate over 50 yds.. .within 50 yds not only will a deer smell you, but they'll see you and hear you! Are you by anychance a vegetarian? I mean.. if you are.. cool, if you're not.. do you know where that meat comes from you buy in the grocery store? Know how it got in that nice little package?! Talk about SLAUGHTER?! Ok...I'm done ranting..gotta go to bed..

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    Caliber: Russian 7.62x54mm Rimmed
    Operation: gas, semi-automatic
    Capacity: 10 round detachable box magazine
    Weight: 9.5lb (4.31kg) empty with telescope
    Length: 48.2 in (122.5 cm)
    Barrel Length: 24 in (62 cm)
    Rifling: 4 grooves, 1:10 right hand twist
    Max Rate of Fire: 30 RPM
    Aimed Rate of Fire: 3-5 RPM
    Scope Type: PSO-1 with IR detection capability
    Scope Data: 24mm objective lens, 4x
    6 degree field of view
    Exit Pupil Measurement: 6mm
    Compatible Passive Night Scopes:
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    range of approx 300 yds
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    The SVD (Snayperskaya Vintovka Dragunova)-Dragunov Sniping Rifle was the first rifle designed from scratch as a sniper rifle, and was introduced in the 1950's. It has very limited similarities to the Kalashnikov series of rifles. The SVD can be expected to shoot 2 MOA with quality ammo.
    I have some personal experience with an original SVD (circa late 1970's). While the weapon was a bit crude when it comes to workmanship, it still functioned flawlessly. We shot extensively out to 900 meters. The rifle is extremely deadly, even with cheap surplus ammo, out to about 600 meters. After that, your pressed to hit consistantly. We easily were maintaining sub 2 MOA. The SVD is not a true sniper rifle in todays terms, but it performs exceptionally well for what it was designed for, a weapon to extend the range of the average rifle squad

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    Halb- Nature doesn't always "even itself out". The wilderness is sometimes in a state of chaos! In the soutwest US, there is a fungus that grows on trees. When the fungus has matured (it matures while killing the tree), it spray spores that coat all trees in a 60 ft. radius!! Entire forests are dying. Would the more conservative thing to do be to cut down the bad tree to stop it from spreading, or let the forest die becaus that is what would happen "naturally"? According to naturalists everywhere, the bad ones should be cut. Why? Shouldn't they just be left alone to die naturally? Well, here's my question for you. If you have a tick or leech on you that's just trying to eat a meal, do you let it do the "natural" thing and let it suck your blood? or do you HELP your self by removing it? If we see good trees dying and we can stop it, why wouldn't we help out? It's jut plain lazy not to.

    Doing a good deed when we see an ecosystem out of balence is the right thing to do.

    As far as killing Africans. WTF!?! You think that the way to help HUMAN BEINGS is to kill them? Humans are NOT animals (don't feed me that "we're really monkeys BS). I have sent money to Africa (the us Govt. matches any money sent to Africa to feed the starving 8 times over!!!!) to help buy food for them. i do this because they are men and women like you and me. They need food. Feed a deer, and it will come back the next day and the day after that, forget how to find its own food, produce stupid fawns, and eventually kill off all the dear in the area.

    Humans are humans, and deer are deer. Compare them again and I'll go insane from listening to twisted logic.

    The fact is that i don't even hunt! i just can't stand tree huggers acting against what they believe in because they are SO misinformed! Sometimes cutting trees (FACT- Trees die without intervention and that keeps the forest from being a "stage 4" forest [stage 1-shrubs, stage 2-shrubs and small trees, stage 3-small trees big trees and few shrubs, stage 4 -All big trees no shrubs, the big trees die and the cycle repeats]) , burning forests (FACT- ashes help forests grow, so if a fire doesn't occur about every 7 years, the forest slowly dies), and killing animals (FACT- ecosystems get out of whack and must be helped or it will worsen and worsen [every link in the chain must be present ) is good.

    Do your research. Find facts that support your statements.

    -OR-

    Don't do your research, but stop argueing using lies and bad logic.
    -For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. Philipians 1:21

    -Don't try to use your fancy smancy "logic" on me! It won't work!

    -It is better to stay silent, and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

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    Ok halb, i now need to comment. Fact; we have weeded the vast majority of predators of deer from the local populace. When was the last time you've seen a wolf in the wild? Fact; here in the northeast, a 200 yard shot is not practical. Hell, lots of hunting areas you cant see 200 yds! Where the hell do you think deer live? In broad open fields? They KNOW they are prey animals. They live in thick brush. i am speaking mainly of whitetail deer, as they are prominent in this area.
    And comparing Somalis to deer? You are an idiot. I have stooped low now.But, one is HUMAN, one is an ANIMAL. There is a difference. Besides, dont get me started there....my brother was there. Shut your moutrh unless you know what you are talking about.
    To everyone else (halb, I am done with you, and refuse to waste any more time there), the Dragunov isnt that great of a rifle. It is rugged, but not highly accurate. Soviet training revolving around it advised not to shoot bover 500 meters with it. My fave, as far as non-military, is my savage. I love that thing! I need a better stock though...but Leupold scope works great. The m-24 system is nice...but carrying a .50 is too big; cant carry enough rounds. the older .308 is a better, easier rifle to shoot, IMO.
    X-mag #10. Nuff said.

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    Sorry, another post. 2 MOA isnt very good...match .308 boattail produces sub 1MOA consistently. Hence my earlier comment about 500 yards shots. For those of you that dont know; MOA in minute Of Angle. Basically, it is a sight adjustment that measures accuracy. 1 MOA is universally accepted as 1" at 100 yards. Thusly, 2 MOA is 2" at 100 yards, 4" at 200 yards, etc. So, lets say a 600 yd shot, using the Dragunov scope (it is non-adjustable, you use a grade scale etched onto the scope), you need to hold 12" above the target. Now, you need to know physical characteristcs of the anatomy...follow me here? Kinda confused? Right. So, they invented adjustable scopes. Most adjust from 1 MOA. Better scopes get 1/4 MOA. This translates into the following; same target, 600 yds. you have a decent scope, 1/2 MOA. Do the math. 12 clicks. Done. Hold target, adjust for wind, squeeze trigger, control recoil, done. It beats the hell out of "holding", although holding is a dying art that every good shooter needs to know.

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