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    Angry Paintball prank spurs crusade

    This article is taken from the Saturday 1/18/03 edition of the Daily Record. It is local newspaper here in Morris County NJ.

    The link to the article can be found here.
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    Paintball prank spurs crusade
    By Pamela Isaacson, Daily Record

    A few inches and Tom Sullivan could be blind.

    With his window rolled down, Sullivan was driving on Harter Road on Dec. 26 when he felt a whack near the back of his head.

    Because of the snowfall on Christmas Day, he assumed it was an ice ball.

    He was wrong.

    A paintball had been shot into his car from a nearby yard. It splattered white paint over the driver's seat and the back of his jacket and left Sullivan angry.

    So angry that he chased the juveniles and called police.

    So angry that he's contacted legislators about placing tighter restrictions on paintball guns. One New Jersey congressman said he has begun looking into the possibility of new paintball gun regulations.

    "I am absolutely furious," said Sullivan, a councilman in Clinton Township. "Parents need to be sent a message that if you are going to provide your underage juveniles with these types of weapons, they need some control over them."

    Current regulations say that juveniles can possess paintball guns, but only people over the age of 18 can buy them. However, there are no restriction on children purchasing parts for the gun, and anyone can purchase the actual paintball, a thin-skinned gelatin capsule with non-toxic colored liquid inside it, or a cartridge or tank refill, according to Mike Moore, manager of Paintball Depot in West Milford.

    Sullivan is legally blind in his left eye. He sees shadows but little else. He said that if the paintball had hit about three inches higher, he could have lost sight in his right eye, as well.

    "If something happened to my other eye, which was a great possibility that night, I could be blind right now," Sullivan said.

    "I'm not looking to bust these parents, but we need people to know these guns are dangerous."

    Eye protection is insisted upon at regulated paintball game parks, where teens and adults can join teams to play a capture-the-flag type of game with paintball guns.

    At Paintball Depot, which operates a game park in West Milford, goggles are not only required, but also monitored by game referees.

    "That's our major rule," said Moore. "If you take them off once, the referee marks your wristband. If it's twice, you're done."

    Moore said that when used properly, paintball is a safe and fun sport that attracts people of all ages. He said a busy weekend at the game park, usually in the fall or spring, means 200 to 300 people are playing.

    Paintball guns, or markers, run on either a cartridge or a tank of carbon dioxide or compressed air.

    Make it inoperable

    Sullivan said his son owns a paintball gun, but Sullivan has removed the carbon dioxide tank to make it inoperable.

    "It's as simple as turning a light bulb and it renders the gun harmless," Sullivan said.

    "He can have the gun in his room, but he can't shoot it. All of the mothers and fathers who bought guns for Christmas don't know that."

    Sullivan said all parents should be held accountable if their underage children have access to what he considers a potential deadly weapon.

    Morris Township Detective Kevin O'Shea said he was one of the officers on the scene after Sullivan called to report the incident.

    Followed footprints

    O'Shea said officers followed the juveniles' footprints in the snow through backyards and a golf course until the steps led to the boys' home.

    "The parents had no idea the boys were out," O'Shea said, "but there were the dripping wet shoes and two paintball guns covered with snow on the back deck."

    In New Jersey, paintball guns are classified as weapons instead of the more serious firearm classification.

    "Under the statute, a slingshot could be a weapon," O'Shea said. "But, to look at this thing if somebody pointed it at you, you would think it's a gun."

    O'Shea said the juveniles were charged with possession of a weapon for an unlawful purpose and criminal mischief, lesser offenses than if the juveniles were using firearms.

    "I think they should be treated the same as firearms because of all the trouble we're having," O'Shea said, adding that there are at least a dozen paintball guns in the police department's evidence room.

    Unlawful purpose

    Sullivan said he's approached local, state and federal politicians about legislation that would better control the use of paintball guns for an unlawful purpose.

    U.S. Rep. Mike Ferguson, R-Hunterdon, said he's using his resources to determine the possibility of federal legislation.

    "We're going to be working on different levels of elected officials to investigate and look into what might be appropriate in terms of helping to safeguard people from youngsters who might not take the responsibility of operating a paintball gun as seriously as they need to," Ferguson said.

    "At the end of the day, it's probably something that is more appropriately addressed at the state or local level, but it's not to say we in Congress shouldn't have a role or a responsibility to work with state, local and county officials to see what the best course of action is."

    According to the New Jersey Legislature Web site, there haven't been any bills proposed concerning paintball guns.

    Sullivan said he's willing to go as far as necessary to make sure parents are held responsible if their children operate paintball guns in a dangerous manner.

    But, even without legislation, Sullivan said he wants to educate parents.

    "They need to know how easy it is to dismantle," he said. "Parents need to know what they can do."


    Pamela Isaacson can be reached at pisaacson@gannett.com or (973) 267-8937.

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    Wow. Pretty soon we will have to have a firearms license to play paintball. Actually that's not a bad idea ... even though it isn't realistic. Maybe they should raise the minimum playing age to 13 or 14? I don't see that helping a whole lot though.

    We have to be 17 or older to buy paintballs from stores here. At our local shop anyone can, but anyone educated enough to find a paintball shop and play there, I don't think, would resort to doing this.
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    wow, ive never read about someone so stupid in my entire life. these are the kind of people who give paintball a bad name, and need to be taught a lesson.

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    Originally posted by Ultimator
    Maybe they should raise the minimum playing age to 13 or 14? I don't see that helping a whole lot though.
    I think eliminating Young guns would increase the problem instead of solving it. In Vernal Utah we built a free entry BYOP field, and the vandalism problem went way down.

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    Kids and their parents should be held accountable for these types of actions. My kids NEVER have access to our markers without me being there, or giving them direct permission.

    I also teach my kids to be responsible. And REAL responsibility for actions need to be taken.

    The only thing that I can say however, is that this type of thing could happen with everything from snowballs, pellet guns, and a whole bunch of other things. I don’t really think MORE laws need to be made, I think current laws need to be enforced. And I would bet that this type of activity is already covered in that state’s assault laws already.

    Folks most definitely need to be educated, and hold them accountable for their actions (or the actions of their children), but I don’t agree that more legislation is required. The only problem I can really see with this, is by trying to get additional legislation, it is a knee jerk reaction because the man was upset at what happened. Again, I think if he calms down (although it IS a serious issue) he would find that there are current laws already on the books that would cover this type of assault, and provides appropriate punishment for it.

    ANYTHING can be used as a weapon. But do we need to run out and pass more legislation every time something happens? No. Again, current laws cover all forms of assault. USE THEM.

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    I have to agree with you Shantely. My son Never Touches any of my paintball guns when I have them out with asking. Then when I go to test them he always tells me "Dad where are your googles and or Mom says no playing paintball in the house"

    Some of the problem with stuff like this is the media's bad portraly of paintball. I have thought long and hard about how to stop this and I think that I have finially come up with something.

    What If the paintball manufactures ( airgun, worrgames, tippmann, etc,etc) sued the movie and tv industry for misreppresentation for the sport?? I think this might work. And as how to solve the vandelisum with paintball stuff I like what the apg's ezine is doing where they publish the names of anyone who has been misusing paintball. Anyone else have any ideas?

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    How about just some parental responsibility and enforcing existing laws, rather than going to scumbag lawyers just looking to make a buck off a settlement?

    If someone hit someone with a baseball bat, it would be assault with a weapon, no? You don't sue the makers of movies like CASINO where you see people beaten to death with baseball bats.

    The authorities should just confiscate the guns, charge the little punks with assault and punish them to the fullest extent of the law. I'm aware the penalty won't be that harsh, especially for minors and a first offense, but a little community service and a fine never hurt anyone.

    Then do YOUR best to show the game in a positive light to the uneducated masses.

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    i dont see what the problem is if they do not hinder the people who play properly i think the article was accualy well written it is much better than others where they say its a war game of blood lust or some bull crock like that

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    as long as it doesnt get taken too far, i think most of what hes saying is a good idea... hes just trying to cut down on vadalism, not ownership of markers.

    If someone hit someone with a baseball bat, it would be assault with a weapon, no?
    actualy yes it is... if i stab you witha spoon its assualt with a deadly weapon... heck i could beat you witha rainbow trout and thats probibly considered a deadly weapon.


    i have all my markers and all paintball stuff at my disposal. it has been made clear that any miss use of said equipment ( including my 3 bb guns, compound bow, or any of my knives) would result in total *** kicking on behalf of my father. but theres a greater reason i dont abuse my markers and such, that is the love of the game. i dont want to see it get any bad rap, so i do my best to stop my friends from doing bad stuff to. and when people ask me what kinda marker to get and i think they will just endup using it for vandalism, i dont say anything.
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    im about 30 mins away from that paintball depot. they let me buy anything at the age of 15. In fact my old friend in 6th grade bought a tippmenn from there and he was maybe 13? 12? im not even sure. but there is alota bad about paintball in this town. only thing people care about is haven enouph money to get paintballs.

    ive seen people shooting houses myself. it was 3-4 years ago so i thought nothing of it, otherwise i would have said something. But i myself have Never doen bad with a gun
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    Kids are so stupid. Period.

    I wouldnt of think of playing a game in my back yard. I have shot my gun at targets after i installed a new part or what not. But never played a game, feilds are the only way to go. Well at least Paintball Depot my main feild gets a little spotlight in the public. I know the owner so i guess thats cool at least.

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    Originally posted by HoppysMag


    heck i could beat you witha rainbow trout and thats probibly considered a deadly weapon.


    i don't know why, but that seems hilarious to me...

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    Referring to the guy playing in the picture as being a "victim" doesn't help much. Also many other terms used don't either. Being that that is the newspaper my family gets, I am likely going to write a letter to the editor.
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    Angry ugh....

    This is a travesty. One thing that caught my eye was that "paintballs can be purchased by anyone", which is not true, at least in my area... you need to be 18 to purchase paintballs or get air.

    The problem as I see it is, kids are always going to be able to get their hands on a paintball gun. Whether they choose to use it responsibly or not is up to them. If something has to be done, like educating parents about how to handle their child owning a paintball marker. Other than that I'm going to have to agree with GeoffreyinNJ's second post. If I got shot by someone, I wouldn't necessarily go out and sue Smith & Wesson for the damages.

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    I am only 16,and I have only been playing for 2 years,but i would NEVER do anything like that.And if I knew someone who did,I would totally kick their ***.I hate when people get the name of Paintball in trouble by acting like complete idiots.

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    These kids need a serious attitude readjustment by their fathers. Preferably in the woodshed!

    Dummies like these are the reason people look down on our sport.

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    I think we should blame Brass Eagle - period. I have heard so many horror stories from my girl-friend (here friends knwo I play)and personally just since Xmas about stupid things that parents are allowing with paintball guns that I don't even get phased anymore.

    It used to be that to buy paint, air or guns you had to walk into a paintball store with a vested interest in seeing a parent educated about eye safey and the guns. Now with JT, Brass Eagle, and Tippmann stuff avalable in every local Walmart, Kmart, Galyan's and Sports Authority - with no real training for the sales reps (who don't care about the sport anyhow) parent are buying these things "off the shelf" with no word of warning. I've got at least 2-3 people a week since Xmas who approach me at work (they know I play) and ask if it's safe if their kids "play out back" (unsupervised) and if goggles are really necessary. (They, in almost every case skimp on the goggles) I even had one person tell that it "wasn't that dangerous" because she made here son turn his marker down before going out to play.

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    **poof** YOU KNOW BETTER!! AGD , and ignorant ones at that.

    im 16 years old, i work in paintball, im also an amateur airsmith. i mean, i have NO trouble getting anything, i just buy it from my boss. but this is bull****. ok, heres where i stand

    1) YES an adult should buy the paintgun, i dont think 10 year olds should be able to buy one
    2) YES, the parenst should be RESPONSIBLE!!! in the incident in this article, the parents should have been charged with felony assault with a deadly weapon. tough? yes, but a parent should know about their childs whereabouts, especially where their paintball gun is.
    3)NO, do not restrict a kids ability to get paintballs or parts or refills!! think about it, if a 12 year old kid goes to kmart to get paintballs, his dad probably drove him there. all your doing is pissing off the parents. the parents already bought them the damn gun, so why make them keep on going though crap?

    god i hope that guy dies
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    If its such a problem the state should build a BYOP free firld as stated above. We really dont have that problem around me. There is always going to be some turd who has to go shoot up a sign, but he could do that just as easily with spray paint. You dont need a license to possess spray paint. Also this Sullivan guy is going on this crusade without knowing what he is doing. It is like trying to get golf banned because someone hit you with a golf ball. And you son owns golf clubs so that makes you a professor golf. Kids are immature and it is mainly other kids jobs to make sure they dont do stuff like that. I constantly have to tell the kids at my school that shooting cars/houses/etc is moronic.


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    they is always the few people that will take everything to far. give um an inch and the take a mile. no matter how many people that are around that can actually be resposible with a paintball gun, people only see the people that misuse them.
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    You people gotta stop complaining about how its giving the "sport" a bad name. who cares! every sport gets a bad name. football gets a bad name cause kids die or get paralyzed while playing it! and hockey, many see all the fights on TV and say hockey is all fighting.

    everyone has to remember, there are always gonna be a idiots in life, just deal with it.
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    Hi,

    Paintball in NJ is screwed period. Liberals in this state love and wait for this stuff to happen. Some on here remember what happened a few years ago when Paintball made the New York news. Several people went about and shot a number of people with a paint gun in the Wayne area. Some cops got up and made a cry about this saying it was wrong and there should have something done.

    This time it's different. A politican was named. when politicans get involved generally something happens, eventually.

    Look at it this way. If paintball became regulated in NJ, alot of things would change. Stores would have to file paperwork on all marker transactions. Living in this state, I am sure the state would like some more cash by the way of transaction fees on each marker. That would hamper those in the state selling markers via the Internet. Paintballers would have to pay for a firearms ID card. At which point you have restricted those under 18. So anyone under 18 could not carry a marker. That's basically killing off alot of the honest playing population of that age group. Eventually, someone will factor in the number of fields we have in the state. So some how the state will figure something to charge them. Who knows NJ paintballers might have a "waiting period" for a marker! That borders rediculous for the average weekend warrior in this state.

    So really there is money to be made.

    Also to make another point, for years lawmakers thought of trying to catgorize paintball as a firearm sport.

    In short, Paintball will be mired in red tape and beauracy for several "special" individuals. However, if the state of NJ made sensible laws (NJers insert chuckle here) something along the lines 18 or older to purchase and/or to play it might change things a little bit. It may hurt the younger player but allow a better less red tape approach to the matter. But as the old adage goes, only time will tell. NJers so band together if something does happen from all this, get our collective tails together, and fight it.


    Now onto the second part, the mega sports stores and mega super stores like Wal mart are some responsible. Paintball explosive rise in popularity allowed these stores to gain access to the product and sell it. It's America and it's pretty much allowed. However, these same stores should stick to the basic sports and that s it. Seriously would you buy SCUBA equipment from Wal Mart? How come Wal mart does sell skateboard items? Sports Authority is the same boat. Stick to selling baseballs and basketballs. Leave the shooting sports to the outdoor stores or to those .

    I was in Walmart the other day. I saw a BE Stingray with goggles, hopper and paint for 80 bucks. You get a 25 pack of CO2 for 12 bucks. So for about 90 bucks you get to cuase mischief and headaches for the 99 percent of us who are legit.

    In short, Paintball will be mired in red tape and beauracy for several "special" individuals. However, if the state of NJ made sensible laws (NJers insert chuckle here) something along the lines 18 or older to purchase and/or to play it might change things a little bit. It may hurt the younger player but allow a better less red tape approach to the matter. But as the old adage goes, only time will tell. NJers so band together if something does happen from all this, get our collective tails together, and fight it.

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    Originally posted by Automaggin2
    You people gotta stop complaining about how its giving the "sport" a bad name. who cares! every sport gets a bad name. football gets a bad name cause kids die or get paralyzed while playing it! and hockey, many see all the fights on TV and say hockey is all fighting.

    everyone has to remember, there are always gonna be a idiots in life, just deal with it.
    Hopefully you are the only person with that attitude else wise paintballs screwed for good... the differanc between paintball and football is the word GUN. you add gun infront of anything and some pissed off parent will start complaining.then add in the idotic youth ( that i reluctantly am a part of) of america ( god bless it, and shallow out the gene pool while your at it)that think bringing pain to others some how can make thier little shriveled manhood grow and sprout some balls, cause frankly your a big man shooting at people that are defenceless, un aware, and all out freaked after getting hit and you have to speed away in a car afterwards... i garrentee you if anyone ever shot me in a drive by paintballing i would personaly kill them on the spot.

    we will see who cares when we cant play paintball anymore... oh and last time i checked kids wernt doing drive by puntings, or taking slap shots at houses.

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    Im just stating my opinion, i mean some people flip out when someones dog gets shot and it makes it into the local newpaper in the section no one looks at. Like i said, people do stupid stuff, just ignore it. Its New Jersey, everything and anything is either illegal or regulated in this state, its just a matter of time before paintball gets regulated. Hell, i cant even ride a quad 2 feet from my house without gettin a damn ticket.

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    Originally posted by Automaggin2
    Im just stating my opinion, i mean some people flip out when someones dog gets shot and it makes it into the local newpaper in the section no one looks at. Like i said, people do stupid stuff, just ignore it. Its New Jersey, everything and anything is either illegal or regulated in this state, its just a matter of time before paintball gets regulated. Hell, i cant even ride a quad 2 feet from my house without gettin a damn ticket.
    hell if you shot my dog you wouldnt make it up the street with out atleast 10 or 20 pellets of buck shot in you....

    if you ignore the stupid stuff it only gets worse... wanna know why you cant ride your quad? cause some one did something stupid and got killed, and nobody stopped them because "it doesnt matter"

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    This to me is so-so article to me.

    I don't agree with the proposed legal initatives, but informing parents of the basic saftey and operation of equipment I can certainly agree with that, Ignorance is far from bliss.

    I think there needs to be more outreach to parents from the industry.
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    paintball guns cause pain as flies cause garbage

    are they going to ban snowball fights or baseball bats? those cause pain as well.

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    paintball guns cause pain as flies cause garbage

    are they going to ban snowball fights or baseball bats? those cause pain as well.
    you know hat every time sonthing like this comes up I hear that anology. Problem is that I only ever hear that on paintball forums, mags, etc. but never are these points made anywhere else. Every time one of these incidents happen there should be some one from the industry should be screaming (and I mean Screaming) Bloody Murder over this kind of thing.

    that's all I got....

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    We've all seen this before, and it's fairly obvious paintball is screwed. So everyone, on the day that paintball is made illegal everywhere, bunker a liberal.
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    Originally posted by shartley
    Kids and their parents should be held accountable for these types of actions....

    The only thing that I can say however, is that this type of thing could happen with everything from snowballs, pellet guns, and a whole bunch of other things. I don’t really think MORE laws need to be made, I think current laws need to be enforced. And I would bet that this type of activity is already covered in that state’s assault laws already....

    ANYTHING can be used as a weapon. But do we need to run out and pass more legislation every time something happens? No. Again, current laws cover all forms of assault. USE THEM.
    Oh so totally hit the nail on the head! Today's society is absolutely blameless - responsibility is always passed on to TV, Teacher and the Government - when will people stop and take responsibility for their own actions and that of their children?

    The problem with "knee-jerk" reactions are that they are just that - ill prepared and often overstated remedies to issues that don't exists. Banning markers from children is like banning firearms - it isn't the responsible owners that need to be restricted, it is the criminals (YES DAMNIT - THESE ARE CRIMINALS) that need to be held accountable!

    Again, just my 3:44am $0.02.

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