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    Hyperframe question

    I just got my hyperframe in the mail does anyone know how to get it into service mode? The instructoins are not very specific could use the help.

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    You have to take a panel off and push the button inside.

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    Exclamation

    Umm, the button inside is to put the frame into tounry lock mode, whic disables changing of bps setting or firing mode.
    To get to the service mode, you turn the frame off, then with 2 sticks or whatever, you push both buttons down at the same time and hold until the frame boots up, then from there, it should show an S for service, and a number which is the strength setting for the solenoid. Max is 9. Set it to the one that can allow you to rapid fire without missing shots, and then hit the bottom button to turn it off. Then use the frame is usual

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    Holding both buttons down does not work on mine (even thou that's what the manual says to do). Here is how I have to do it (this is an excerpt from my Hyperframe FAQ):

    Starting Service Mode.

    With the Hyperframe off, press and hold the bottom button. While still holding the bottom button and before it turns on press and hold the top button. Wait. It will turn on in service mode. When you are done making your changes, press and hold the bottom button to turn it off.


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    Thanks for the help, one more question when setting the timing whatdoes fd, and fn stand for, and what settings do you find are the best. I know it will be slightly different for every gun, but i'm just trying to generalize. I also have the new 20bps mod, so I don't kow if that changes anything. I have a standard mag valve now but the x-valve is in the mail.

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    As a matter of fact I do. Here is what Centerflag told me:

    New Fullauto Service Modes

    15 - 05. This is the Initial Setting (default is 05). This is the amount of time (in milli-seconds) the solenoid is energized.

    Fd - 20. This is the Fire Delay. This is the "frequency" (in micro-seconds) of the current pulse once the solenoid is closed.

    Fn - 50. This is the Fire Number. This is the solenoid return time (in milli-seconds). The larger the number the slower the return.


    Now, I don't know for sure, but I think that Fd applies to Fn. That is, Fd is the frequency of the pulse for the Fn amount of time. BTW, an Fn number of 0 seems to be 100, NOT 0.

    I have a 1600mah 9.6 volt NiMh external battery pack. I do NOT care about battery life at all. I'm using:

    15 - 30
    Fn - 1
    Fd - 1

    I was able to cycle at 16bps. I have changed my level 10 settings and have NO idea what velocity it would shoot at. I don't have any paint and the air is getting low, so I haven't been able to determine the best settings. However, I think it will be close to those.

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    A few questions. Did you recently purchase the hyperframe? Was it new or used? Did it come with the new board, or did you order that seperatly?

    The reason I ask is that a friend of mine just ordered one and I was wondering what he will be getting. Esp. since I will be installing it.

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    I got it brand new from the factory. I think I got the solenoid to fire enough now i have to get it so the bolt doesn't stick. Thanks for all of the info, if you have any other suggestions i would appreciate it.

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    Here is my work in progress Hyperframe FAQ:

    Hyperframe FAQ

    The following are "reprints" of my posts regarding the hyperframe. The title contains a link to the original thread.

    Adjusting the Hyperframe's solenoid, On/Off pin to short

    You probably need a longer on/off pin. I had the same wear pattern and fixed it with a longer on/off pin. Regardless, you want to determine if the sear is engaging fully. To do this, remove the grip panels and the safety (be careful not to loose the spring or the TINY ball bearing). Gas up the marker and fire it a couple of times. See if you can manually move the solenoid plunger away from the sear "leg". You need to have a small gap between the sear leg and the solenoid plunger. If you do have a gap then try and move the sear leg (accessible through the safety hole). It should NOT move. If it does, the pin is not long enough.

    If there is no gap, or it is large, loosen the four VERY small set screws in the top of the grip frame (you will have to remove the grip frame to gain access to them) and move the solenoid.

    Also, you should be using a RT style bumper (clear). They dampen bolt bounce better than the classic bumper (blue). The more the bolt bounces the more it will wear the sear.

    Added: BTW, you can also use a RT pin. They come in various lengths.



    On/off Pin Too Long

    Provided by rjvemt1:
    Centeflag makes the on/off pin in three different lengths. If the pin you have is too long the lower end will mushroom and the frame will 'click' but the gun wont fire. When this happens try wiggling the safety button, if the gun fires the mushrooming is the problem. Take the on/off assembly out of the valve and try to remove the pin from the assembly. If the pin will not come out you have a mushroomed lower end. File the edges so that you can remove the pin, then file the length down or call Centerflag and ask for a new shorter one (you will need to mic the one you have or just ask for the shortest one they make).



    Starting Service Mode.

    With the Hyperframe off, press and hold the bottom button. While still holding the bottom button and before it turns on press and hold the top button. Wait. It will turn on in service mode. When you are done making your changes, press and hold the bottom button to turn it off.



    Level 10 bolt stick?

    I have a broken in (6k plus rounds) level 10 in an automag classic. It is using the largest carrier that does not leak and the longest spring.. I'm using the RT bumper. I also have a hyperframe. When I really get on the trigger and get the rof up I get "bolt stick". The bolt does not reset in the oring; it's protruding into the breech about 1/4 of the way and leaks like crazy. I turn off the air, it resets and I can turn the air back on and everything is fine, until I get the rof up again. I did notice that the RT bumper is a little thicker than the classic bumper. Any ideas?

    BTW, I'm running a 9.6 volt battery pack for the hyperframe instead of a standard 9 volt battery.



    Level 10 bolt "stick" fixed.

    I posted earlier that I thought I was getting bolt "stick" with the level 10 bolt and a Hyperframe. (You can read about it here http://www.automags.org/forums/show...&threadid=63676 ) However, it wasn't sticking on return, it was failing to push the paintball all the way into the barrel and was stopping about the point the power piston came to the end of the oring. The hyperframe was providing a much shorter trigger pull time so the on/off opened before the bolt could get back. Hence, bolt stick. Switching to the shortest spring solved the problem. Just thought someone else might have the same problem.



    Attention Hyperframe owners, upgrade available

    I just got off the phone with Centerflag Products (makers of the Hyperframe) and they have an upgrade option that I think is a great deal (I don't think it was anything special for me). You can upgrade your existing Hyperframe board for a new full auto board for $35. This is the new board developed for the auto cocker. It allows full auto and more importantly (at least to me) has a setting for the duration of the solenoid pulse. It can be set from 1ms to 99ms. The two biggest wear problems with the Hyperframe are on/off pins that are too short and a short solenoid pulse. You can get a longer on/off pin, and now you can set the solenoid duration to whatever you want.

    Update. I sent in a working board only to have them tell me it did not. They sent it back to me and it no longer works. I would suggest sending in the entire frame, maybe even with a battery. They can just turn it on to verify that it works.

    Contact information:

    Centerflag Products
    PO Box 148
    Yorkville, Il 80560

    Phone: 630-553-2611
    Fax: 630-533-2631

    New Fullauto Service Modes

    15 - 05. This is the Initial Setting (default is 05). This is the amount of time (in milli-seconds) the solenoid is energized.

    Fd - 20. This is the Fire Delay. This is the "frequency" (in micro-seconds) of the current pulse once the solenoid is closed.

    Fn - 50. This is the Fire Number. This is the solenoid return time (in milli-seconds). The larger the number the slower the return.

    Now, I don't know for sure, but I think that Fd applies to Fn. That is, Fd is the frequency of the pulse for the Fn amount of time. BTW, an Fn number of 0 seems to be 100, NOT 0.

    I have a 1600mah 9.6 volt NiMh external battery pack. I do NOT care about battery life at all. I'm using:

    15 - 30
    Fn - 1
    Fd - 1

    I was able to cycle at 16bps. I have changed my level 10 settings and have NO idea what velocity it would shoot at. I don't have any paint and the air is getting low, so I haven't been able to determine the best settings. However, I think it will be close to those.



    Intellifeeding a warp to a Hyperframe with a common battery.

    I have read about others having problems intellilinking a hyperframe with a warp when they both use the same battery. I had the same problem. I tried various combinations of diodes to isolate the warp from the hyperframe with no luck. I gave up on the diodes when I let the smoke out of one (they never work right once you let the smoke out ). To isolate the warp I use a reed relay. When the solenoid is activated it closes the relay (same as closing a switch) and signals the warp to spin. With this setup you put the warp intellilink jumper on the top (same as when using a switch). The current draw from the relay (11 ma) isn't enough to affect the solenoid (at least on mine, but I do have the "power" setting at 9). The relay is Radio Shack part number 275-233 which is a SPST - 12VDC Reed Relay.

    Here is a simple diagram that illustrates how to install the relay:
    <img src=http://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=659055">


    Alternative connection posted by xen_100:
    Another way to do it it to use a STDP solid state relay. rewire the trigger to activate the relay. then use one relay pole to "trigger" the frame circuit and the other pole to make the warp run. it take about 30 mintues and you have to rewire the grip a little. but its not hard and it 100% isolates the two circiuts.

    (PS: this will work for boo-yaah, ESP, dragun, centerflag, etc grips as well)

    <img src="http://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=659595">


    And yet another alternative connection posted by sniper1rfa

    I have found that connecting just the negative lead of the solenoid to the intellifeed (to the tip of the connector) and setting it to (-) works. It's the positive lead that causes problems. No need for funky parts that way, too. :-)

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    Whoops... I'm giving out bad info again. I haven't had a Hyperframe for a while...

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    Doi!

    Whoa, thats not fair, I wish I had the new board. Seems like mine is a bit older one, since there isn't even a burst mode, and those were like made only 1 year, a while back?

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