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    Post //\\//\\ How to build a mag.//\\//\\ Guide

    Hey guys this is my opinion on the subject. You may believe there is a better way so post it! This is not all inclusive and doesn’t intend to be. I hope the mods sticky this since this question gets asked about every ten minutes on AO.



    How to build a mag.

    Introduction

    Well, one day I was running around a few forums and noticed that more and more folks wanted to build there own mechanical Automag. I believe the increase in Automag interest stems from AGD’s new line of innovated products. Previous Automag owners had problems with weight and chopping. Both of these problems were solved in the last year by two major product groups, The Level 10 Low Impact Superbolt Kit and Ultra Light Engineering (ULE).

    The Level 10 Low Impact Superbolt Kit was designed as a dual stage bolt. The first stage, when confronted with a foreign object that applies an opposing force, allows gas to be vented when a ball is half loaded in the breech. The second half continues to close the breech bolt area and fire the paintball.
    Ultra Light Engineering (ULE) is a multitude of products rather than a single part. The theme of ULE could be summed up as follows “make a bunch of the cool stuff we always had, yet out of aluminum and add a few improvements.” ULE products include:
    • ULE body- cocker barrel threads, angel thread vertical feed or warpfeed, angel ball detents
    • ULE body rail- interior of the body rail is milled of excess material
    • ULE Emag trigger frame- unnecessary material is removed to decrease weight.
    • X valve- Same as the retro, emag, and RT pro valve yet made out of aluminum and also includes the lvlX bolt
    • ULE trigger- takes the stock mag rigger from a 3lbs pull to a 15oz pull.

    These are all great products however lets get to the mag building!

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    GT’s Tips for building a mag.
    1. Take your time! Remember you are working with a lot of Al to SS connections and parts can be easily stripped!

    2. Air fittings= Blue Locktite
    Other fittings= drop of oil on first few threads

    3. Blue Locktite is your friend. AGD uses red locktite on a just about all of their hose connections. I prefer blue because I like to be able to take the stuff off without breaking a sweat.

    4. Buy stuff that you like. I noticed that even when I completed my mag that some folks didn’t like my drop/tank setup. Well it’s my gun and my opinion is the only one that matters.

    5. Do not force any parts! There should not be any reason at anytime to force parts together. If they were machined properly then they will fit. Sit back and revaluate how you are putting them together. Maybe another part is interfering and not allowing you access at that angle.

    6. For used parts particularly anything that will have an air connection make sure that are very very clean. Go to your favorite hardware store and buy a set of dental pics. Take the dental pics and clean every single thread.

    7. a note on Teflon tape this stuff is only good if you are in a bind. It can be a real mess if you have not used it before. It is good to take to the field for emergencies but beyond that it can cause more harm than good. However the best way, I believe is to wrap the air fitting twice with a very even thin coat. Do not place on the first few threads, but if you have to, because you cannot fit many threads into that location, then make real sure that none of the tape, and I mean none, will be exposed to the air source. I am willing to bet TAG and AGD can’t count how many guns come in for service and clean massive amounts of Teflon tape out of the regs. Take home message: this stuff can be nasty avoid use if possible.

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    How to build a mag, finally!
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    Click above picture for the uber huge picture!!!

    1. Start with the fore grip and screw it to the body rail. The screw will go through the body rail and into the grip frame. On my Omega/ER fore grip there is an o-ring between the rail and fore grip, if you have the same make sure that o-ring is present. When they are tightened together the fore grip should not rotate when light force is applied in either direction.

    2. Bolt on the body and the trigger frame to the body rail. There is a 10-32 3/8” screw that goes through the trigger frame, body rail, and is threaded into the body.

    3. At the rear of the trigger frame add the rail bushing. Push the rail busing through the rail and into the trigger frame until it is flush with the top side of the body rail

    4. Add your valve

    5. Apply a small amount of Blue Locktite(BL) to your first air fitting. You only need about 2 drops. Make sure you do not apply any to the first thread going into the valve. Screw in the first air fitting. IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE SO TIGHT THAT IT MAKES YOUR NUCKLES WHITE! Just rotate the open end to your desired location and allow the BL to dry. Once the BL dries it will provide and excellent seal.

    6. Now add BL to your quick disconnect (hose/macroline/microline or whatever air line you are running) and allow to dry, again it doesn’t need to be super tight to seal properly. I add them in this order because the “wings” on the Omega rail will interfere with the air line.

    7. Connect the rest of your air fittings using the BL method.

    8. Bolt on your ASA, dropforward, and tank

    9. Screw in your barrel, place hopper on body, connect airlines, gas up and OWN!

    10. Done!
    Last edited by gtrsi; 02-08-2004 at 12:34 PM.

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    GT’s Uber quick LVL 10 guide
    I bought an X valve from AGD and it was nowhere near close to the proper setting. So here are some tips to help.
    1. Take off the bolt and spring

    2. Pull of the PT nut

    3. take out all the shims and the carrier

    4. toss in the 2.0 carrier and place an o-ring inside the carrier

    5. reassemble w/o shims, and use the middle spring

    6. Screw in the velocity adjuster about ½ inch. I know it sounds crazy but crank down on that bad boy!

    7. If it doesn’t leak go with a larger carrier, 2.5, 3.0.

    8. If it leaks and the sound changes when you touch the bolt (don’t put your finger in there and fire it just yet) go with a smaller carrier.

    9. Once the correct carrier is found toss in 2 shims

    10. Use the something about the size of a paintball, put it in the breech and pull the trigger. It should make a chuff, chuff sound. If the bolt doesn’t reset add another shim.

    11. final test put on a barrel condom or plug tape a paintball half way into the breech. Pull the trigger until the paintball gets chopped. IF you run out of air, your hand gets tired then the lvl 10 is setup properly. If not start over with the above steps.

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    Great thread. Link to big pic doesn't work though.
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    I need someone to host it. Its really really nice
    Last edited by gtrsi; 07-21-2003 at 11:18 PM.

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    any comments guys?

    jb

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    What great timing. I posted something like this about two years ago...before the ULE, Before XValve, hell, before just about everything. Anyways, I'm back to the mag world, and I was gonna post something like this, but hell, you just saved me a lot of time, and did it better.

    Good job.

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    hmm i think i could do that

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    i can probably host it for u, do u have mirc?

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    pic hosted thanks guys link under smaller pic.

    jb

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    Good description. towel, pink

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    hey was how much would ALL that cost, but substitute the yframe for an intelli blade in chrome and no speter kit either
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    You did a great job, anyone should be able to assemble a mag after reading that.

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    Thanks a bunch guys. As far as cost just head to the AGD store and start addidng!

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    very cool, myb ill buy a regular mag instead so 600 isnt spent on parts.... or myb not... or myb im PW since 1,000,000 needs help
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    Great thread. I am currently waiting (not so patiently) for my stuff to get in from AGD, this will be my first Mag, built from the ground up. Your thread will definately be referenced again.
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    Cool,
    thanks guys.
    jb

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    Blue loctite is not your friend for phnumatic fittings. You want some other type of loctite I forget what its called, but it is a phnumatic line sealent, not a thread lockers. It is actually made for this application, and will not screw up your threads or be a PITA to get off like red loctite can. This is probably what AGD uses, not red loctite.

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    Originally posted by PyRo
    Blue loctite is not your friend for phnumatic fittings.

    This is probably what AGD uses, not red loctite.
    Blue has always worked for me plus its pretty easy to find at places like wally world. AGD uses some kind of Red stuff that is a major PITA to get the bound parts apart from....

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    I haven't read all of your posts yet but the first and second ones are pretty good. A note about teflon tape, if you do use it, wrap it in the direction that the threads run on the fitting. Didn't see that mentioned and it will make a diffence in how well it works or doesn't! Good reference thread tho, I'll be back to read the rest when I have more time
    Last edited by ChucktheMAGician; 10-24-2003 at 05:03 PM.
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    Also another comment on teflon tape, I have used it since I started playing and if used properly its just as good as blue loctite I have never had anything go down due to teflon tape in the marker somewhere
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    Originally posted by LaW
    Also another comment on teflon tape, I have used it since I started playing and if used properly its just as good as blue loctite I have never had anything go down due to teflon tape in the marker somewhere
    Very True,
    I reall made this thread for the new guys. Sure you can use teflon tape, however next time you are at your local shop as the airsmith how many guns he has to fix due to improper use of the teflon tape.

    I guess the flipside is that it is certianly possible to abuse the locktite. Just remember guys use as little force or product (locktite) as possible. It’s easy to correct if there is two little of either, however the effects of to much can be devastating on threads or internals.

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    Originally posted by gtrsi


    Very True,
    I reall made this thread for the new guys. Sure you can use teflon tape, however next time you are at your local shop as the airsmith how many guns he has to fix due to improper use of the teflon tape.

    I guess the flipside is that it is certianly possible to abuse the locktite. Just remember guys use as little force or product (locktite) as possible. It’s easy to correct if there is two little of either, however the effects of to much can be devastating on threads or internals.
    Yup, there are a lot of people out there that just dont have the know how to use it well enough. My friend had his fittings on with SO much teflon tape it was horrible, I had to clean out his valve and everything.

    I usually have enough teflon tape on to go about once around the fitting and it is enough for me. I use blue loctite here and there as well.

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    Originally posted by FalconGuy016
    No finished pictuer!
    Last pic before I sold it. Couldnt find a shorter hose.


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    Was gonna post this on the Tech thread but it didnt seem the questions were being answered..and you guys on this thread seem like MAG Gods..Am rebuilding a mag I got for $50..new ANS valve...new benchmark double trigger new CP barrel..was about to order the LVL 10 tonight but the info sheet from AGD says will not fit rental mags...well that was what mine was in its abused former life before I rescued it..any help please..

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    Was gonna post this on the Tech thread but it didnt seem the questions were being answered..and you guys on this thread seem like MAG Gods..Am rebuilding a mag I got for $50..new ANS valve...new benchmark double trigger new CP barrel..was about to order the LVL 10 tonight but the info sheet from AGD says will not fit rental mags...well that was what mine was in its abused former life before I rescued it..any help please..

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    I am not an expert on the rentels but I thought they had a non removable PT? I cant think of an other reason why there would be an issue with the lvlX.

    Maybe it might be a good idea to post in the tech forum. Sorry man I am little help to ya.

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    Hey thanks for info..will give it a try at the Tech thread..

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