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    Cocker/Mag Hybrid

    i was searching around punisher's and i saw the infamous mag with cocker trigger, and it got me thinking. I have a bunch of cocker parts left over from my semi-auto Maverick conversion so i was gonna try to put a hinge frame on my mag and have it work the 3-way which would be powered by the LPR im gonna use to tap into my main air source on the V/A. that would drive the ram that im gonna mount in the grip-frame just like an emag solenoid. So at the end i get a mag with a trigger pull equal to just the throw of a 3-way. Any thoughts, suggestions?

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    Dude when you do it give me a PM. Would love to know how to do that.
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    How bout this one
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    And this one
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    um thats the one on punisher.....

    Yeah my design is about the same in operation but i wont be mounting a front block of any sort, the LPR will go into the gauge port on my V/A, the ram will be inside the hinge frame, and the 3-way will be facing the back and be mounted on the side of the frame to keep it out of the way on the front.

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    one thing though. I woulndt suggest using a cocker ram because it has too long of a throw. go to clippard online and find a ram with a throw of less than .25 inches. thats should do fine.

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    hey please dont beat me up over this but what did smart parts do??

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    They have been trying to patent all electronic markers, effectively monopolizing the paintball world. If the patent goes through they would own and ruin the high-end paintball world.

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    wow thats really gay. they should die. There guns suck anyway unless you soop em up.

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    wow thats really gay. they should die. There guns suck anyway unless you soop em up.
    not to be off topic but grow up.
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    i agree

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    also if you could pm me with a few details on how you plan to do/did this that'd be awesome. I got a medusa pretty cheap not too long ago, and started thinkin along the same lines as you. Any help would be MUCH appreciated.

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    here's a quick drawing of the plans i used.
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    hey man thats not cool, you didnt have to say something like that. also those plans look pretty cool thats really different looking,ive never seen that done. also that really does suck about what you said they were trying to do but i recently heard different. i heard that smart parts was only suing indian creeks right now for the electro switch or something like that but they were thinking about doing more. anyways, that looks cool i'd like to see one in an actual picture.
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    i would be glad to take one but i need to buy a new hinge frame and some small parts. so it's all waiting on the $$$. I hope ot have it completely done and be playing with it by christmas.

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    if you get thsi working well, i'd be interested in sending you my mag to get this done we'll talk if you'd be interested in it
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    Cool ideas...

    I found these pics over at PBN:

    http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...10#post1520714

    Originally posted by the electrician
    here's my old blue pneuma-sear mag






    It's my back up gun and it needed a little softer shorter trigger... so I put some cocker parts on it. yeah I know it's blue
    Did you ever get your version to work?

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    regarding the gun in my last post...

    The owner writes:

    the electrician wrote on 09-03-2003 07:52 PM:

    The trigger pull is 1 mm and about 10 oz of force... so yeah it's short and pretty light. I'm trying to get it lighter.

    No. I can't walk the trigger, but then again I don't like to shoot that way. It is however, almost impossible to short stroke it. It can out shoot the revvy in the right hands. The damn thing gets hot.

    It's a mod that takes a mill and alot of patience to do. It's pretty simple really if you have the tools. the ASA is tapped to put the reg on the front, then a slot is milled in the body rail for th hose to travel to a micro 3-way behind the trigger. The air then goes to a small air ylinder which pulls the sear down off the bolt.

    I think that new on/off design (ULT) might reduce the psi input into the valve, thereby reducing the trigger pull force a bit.

    I'm working on a new design that is easier to build and works on a lower psi. and an electro version.

    You know, a WGP hinge frame, with a bomb 4-way could produce a super light, 1 mm trigger pull for a mag that would be scary. That might be something to think about...

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    thanks for that jack, yes i have gotten my design to work it's just not fully assembled yet, by holding the ram and 3way down with duct tape it does cycle quite well, i just gotta get the damn inner mounts made. Ill post pics when im done.

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    Cool... are you using your mod with the new ULT?

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    nope, i could though, im only running the ram at 30 psi as it is so the ULT wouldn't make that much difference. PLus i got a classic valve on it so i'd have to go X before i could use the ult. WAIT.....No i wouldnt cause the ram would pull the sear back too, it wouldnt matter if the return force wasnt enough. ok im definately trying that once i get the thing done.

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    about a year ago I made a first version of this same thing.. but with a custom made 3-way..
    pull was ~0.5mm and wieght was ~2-3oz. however it didnt have fast enough fireing rate.

    Iv since been working on a new prototype snap 3-way that should be the answer. if all goes well itll all be a drop-in mod for existing grips.

    time will tell..
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    oh yeah.. im doing this for mags and other mechanical type markers as well..

    **edit: Just came across this thread again have removed un-necessary negative comment about Smart Parts. **
    Last edited by nicad; 09-05-2006 at 04:40 PM.

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    woot! woot!

    nicad, you got any pics of your creation?

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    I should somewhere.. if i come across them (ie find them!) ill post em up!

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    yeah the whole screw smart-parts was a big reason i started designing this. To give the mag and electro-like pull without messy electronics and the whole patent-issue

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    I was just looking at pbn's mag pic thread and I saw that same post that jack & coke quoted and I realised how cool it would be to do this.. And as it was mentioned above, ULT = lighter force.. all you need is a ram that would work better (one for cockers = too long of a throw methinks) and maybe a bit less powerful to save space, and a 3way + lpr and.. damn its so tempting but I know ill start on it and then drift out of it like I do on every single other project I do. If you do end up doing it make sure to leave plans and stuff.

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    oh dont you guys worry i have every intention of doing this, just gotta get the money all together for the finished product's parts.

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