Official Deadlywind hAir trigger update

[luke]

I was responding to this.

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[Conversekidz]

I don't see looking at a patent or plans as a lazy way out, its gives you a bases to design your own piece.


I do have to say, why reinvent the wheel when its already been made? why not take the wheel reverse engineer it and make it better.

[luke]

I don't see looking at a patent or plans as a lazy way out, its gives you a bases to design your own piece.


I do have to say, why reinvent the wheel when its already been made? why not take the wheel reverse engineer it and make it better.

That's it exactly!

I completely understand that people want to protect what they "invent" but really it's the way of the world to copy or base designs on something that is already proven to work.

Not everyone has the capability to invent something that is truly unique, so the said statement seems a little arrogant to me....

[Lohman446]

i hate electros and people who indulge in them

They don't have the appropriate smiley for flipping you off for the arrogance and base stupidity of that statement. You just flamed a good number of people... as well as those who use e-mags/hypframed mags/devilmags or who are looking forward to an electronic mag.

[Brophog]

Not so fast my friend. He didn't say people that use them, he said 'indulge in them'.

That's a notable distinction.

[Lohman446]

Not so fast my friend. He didn't say people that use them, he said 'indulge in them'.

That's a notable distinction.

So I decided not to make that distinction.

Lets face something that is a reality here though. This trigger is going to be a niche market, it is highly unlikely that this is going to "put the mag back on top". However good it is, however competetive it is there are still issues you will have to overcome (like eyes) that are going to be hard to convince people you don't need. Ramping is a coming thing, there may be resistance but I expect, in two years... its here. I could easily be wrong I know that.

[RRfireblade]

Ramping is a coming thing, there may be resistance but I expect, in two years... its here. I could easily be wrong I know that.

Well. apparently ramping IS already here in a large degree. Try and find a DM4/5 on the PBN classifieds for sale that DOESN'T have a ramping chip in it. Trust me, I've tried. :) It's kinda scary really.I expect it will only get worse.

But....

There's no reason that a mechanical trigger system can't ramp. In fact, it can. Controlling the ROF is the only obstical...unless a Mag ramping to 33BPS is ok. :) But that will be soon sorted out.

[Lohman446]

There's no reason that a mechanical trigger system can't ramp. In fact, it can. Controlling the ROF is the only obstical...unless a Mag ramping to 33BPS is ok. :) But that will be soon sorted out.

Ramp or bounce? I draw a distinction from SP style 15BPS Ramping to all out bounce and a lot less control on getting it to stop.

[RRfireblade]

Ramp or bounce? I draw a distinction from SP style 15BPS Ramping to all out bounce and a lot less control on getting it to stop.

Defintely not bounce. We're talking a 'full auto' like situation after a certain reached ROF at Semi only. Basically,get it up to a certain ROF and it will jump to a higher preset ROF until you stop pulling the trigger. But that's still 'in the works' yet so the specifics may change when or if it becomes an available feature.

[Lohman446]

Defintely not bounce. We're talking a 'full auto' like situation after a certain reached ROF at Semi only. Basically,get it up to a certain ROF and it will jump to a higher preset ROF until you stop pulling the trigger. But that's still 'in the works' yet so the specifics may change when or if it becomes an available feature.

Now thats intriguing.

[VFX_Fenix]

Vapor Works has their NXL chip which does just that, it'll go from semi (4-6bps or something similarly low) to full auto (15bps) after a relatively low ROF is achieved. Personally I believe that ramping is a far safer alternative to bouncing, if only for the fact that when you stop pulling the trigger, the gun stops shooting. Also the CFOA has weighed in on this topic and supposedly will be imposing an ROF limit of 15bps on their fields. As to exactly how they'll impose this, I don't know, but it's a sign that field owners are obviously interested in limiting ROF's on their fields (probably partially under the preasure of their insurance companies as well)

[z28ss43]

Looking at deadly winds site; is the hAir trigger dead? Its no longer listed in the products but it is mentioned on the main page and the video is still available. Hope to see something like it someday. Any info would be appreciated.

[Dayspring]

Read the first page in this thread.

[nicad]

Our official updates can be found here:

http://www.deadlywind.com/news.html

The last update on the hAir was on 12/29/04.

Thanks-
Colin

[snake_eater]

Cool, a new R.A.I.L. system...