Automag vs Autococker, please level with me

[TrickedCockerMan]

How is it possible to shoot faster with a short heavy pull, over a short, light, smooth pull. Im just cuerious at to how that is possible. I alwyas thought that pushing heavier things will take longer and be slower than pushing something that is also short, but light, and smooth.

[Timmee]

Originally posted by strongboy2005


For a tournament ready mag...

Good body ($130), Lvl 10 Bolt ($85), Retro valve ($200), and an Intelliframe ($115). Adds up to $530 for a tournament mag (not including the $200 for the original gun).

I know all about the automag hierarchy, and I was not referring to the preformance of those guns, I was referring to the preformance of the stock classic mag, which is comparable to an upgraded spyder.

And yes, I owned a mag for over a year, put $130 into it and realized for the ammount I had into the gun I could've bought a 2002 cocker that would have outpreformed it in every aspect.

Why would you need to replace the body on the 'Mag? If the stock one is P/F, and the new one is P/F, there will be no performance difference between the 2.

Also, the ReTro valve alone will increase the performance of the 'Mag to rival the electro markers. To get similar speed in a 'Cocker, you'd have to add an electro grip ($4-$500), and even then, you might not have the same performance as the ReTro. Add Level 10 and an Intelliframe to the 'Mag, and it'd still be cheaper than a Race'd Autococker.

I'm not saying 'Cockers aren't nice markers (I own one myself), but don't say that 'Mags aren't worthy.

[flatacid]

well. i owned a cocker for about 2 years. it was a cool gun. but, i don't think i would buy another cocker again unless it was a sto or one of the higher up cockers.

i spent alot of money on my cocker (all new everything) for it too pretty much be the same gun. getting a new back block, or a new ram won't give you a thing. you can say it will all you want, but it doesn't. the only upgrades i would do to a cocker would be hinge trigger and barrel. thats it. maybe a valve if you want low pressure. thats why im getting a mag. ive played with an old 91 mag. very reliable. awesome to play with. ive played with a micro rt. very fast. but it needed lvl 10. all in all, i like how the mag performs compared to the cocker.

but play with both. thats the only way you will know which is for you.

[strongboy2005]

Originally posted by Brian68mag
As for which gun would shoot faster, uh mag?
I hate arguing with idiots.

I could say the same for you. Unless that mag has got a retro valve and itelliframe it won't be as fast as a cocker, and unless it has a lvl 10 it can be as fast as all get out, and chop every ball.

[Timmee]

Originally posted by strongboy2005

I could say the same for you. Unless that mag has got a retro valve and itelliframe it won't be as fast as a cocker, and unless it has a lvl 10 it can be as fast as all get out, and chop every ball.

Whether I'm shooting a spyder, 'Mag, 'Cocker, 'Ray, or any other mechanical marker (not including markers with RT mode), I shoot at the same speed.

And as someone has stated before, a properly set up 'Mag won't chop any more than any other marker if you're pulling the trigger back all the way.

[Ejp414]

what?

"How is it possible to shoot faster with a short heavy pull, over a short, light, smooth pull. Im just cuerious at to how that is possible. I alwyas thought that pushing heavier things will take longer and be slower than pushing something that is also short, but light, and smooth."

cockers have short trigger pulls? I'm sorry but that was just stupid. Maybe a cocker with an electro frame. I have seen tippys with shorter pulls than cockers.

[strongboy2005]

with a orracle 3-way and a wgp hinge on a stock autococker I can time an autococker to get a 1 mm trigger pull, no electronics necesary.

[Dayspring]

Resurrected from the dead again...

ANYWAY-

There are several flaws in Strongboy's argument. I already shot him down in another thread. (Told him once, told him 1000 times- Subjective arguments CANNOT be used as conclusive evidence. Also said that Cockers were designed for the rough tourney player. They weren't designed to last 10 years. Can we say "huh"? I know you can...)

In regards to something I read back a bit in here- You (Strongboy) said that Mag's aren't considered High-End Markers. That they rival Tippmanns and the like. I find that UTTERLY hilarious. How exactly is a stock Cocker more High-End over a Stock Mag? (Like a Minimag for ease of discussion) Is it b/c one has a regulator? Oops. They both do. Is it because of the multitude of parts on the Cocker? I'm sorry. But being able to have a paintball gun work with a minimal amount of parts is MORE desirable than having a gun where 2 dozen things could go wrong.

Take your spam and get outta here. We live in a Hype/Myth-Free Zone here on AO.

AGD- dispelling Hype & Myth for years!

[strongboy2005]

Originally posted by Dayspring
Resurrected from the dead again...

ANYWAY-

There are several flaws in Strongboy's argument. I already shot him down in another thread. (Told him once, told him 1000 times- Subjective arguments CANNOT be used as conclusive evidence. Also said that Cockers were designed for the rough tourney player. They weren't designed to last 10 years. Can we say "huh"? I know you can...)

In regards to something I read back a bit in here- You (Strongboy) said that Mag's aren't considered High-End Markers. That they rival Tippmanns and the like. I find that UTTERLY hilarious. How exactly is a stock Cocker more High-End over a Stock Mag? (Like a Minimag for ease of discussion) Is it b/c one has a regulator? Oops. They both do. Is it because of the multitude of parts on the Cocker? I'm sorry. But being able to have a paintball gun work with a minimal amount of parts is MORE desirable than having a gun where 2 dozen things could go wrong.

Take your spam and get outta here. We live in a Hype/Myth-Free Zone here on AO.

AGD- dispelling Hype & Myth for years!

first off, it is not me who is bringing back these threads. As for shooting me down, YEAH RIGHT. You can't give me one fact that shows that mags are better in any way, while I can give you several why cockers are better. Nothing can just "go wrong" with an autococker. The whole point is that you are able to tweak and time them for optimum performance, while a minimag (as you stated, for an ease of discussion) does not have those capabilities. What you get is what you are going to have, no changing anything to suit you. I find the array of parts more desireable. I am a tinkerer, I like to buy different parts for my cocker and I could sit for hours getting my trigger to be just right for the upcoming tournament. Which, by the way, is very much shorter than my mag ever was. So in essence, yes, I can't think of any reason why I would choose a stock mag over a stock autococker unless they were given out for free in which case I'd try to sell it imediately before the market became flush with them.

In a few years the classic mag will be obsolete, it's just that a few of you don't want to believe it. Tippmann is advancing faster than AGD is when it comes to their markers. The A-5 is in close competition with the classic mag, and you better believe Spyder and Piranha's new electros would be preferred over a mag. So in that sence automags have fallen below what was once considered companies only nOObs were fit to buy from. Next it'll be Brass Eagle coming out with a new electro sometime in about 10 years, and THEY will beat the classic mags. While AGD gave up on their original design with the automag, and has begun marketing the Xmag, Cockers have stayed alive with new state-of-the-art upgrades to make their guns compete with the new electros (including the x-mag), and while AGD has refused to even take the time to put a 45 frame on their classic mags, 2003 stock autocockers are considered tournament ready with minimal upgrades. So AGAIN I have shut YOU down.

[FESTUS33]

Last I heard a Cocker has about 96
seperate part's, and about half
of them move. A Mag has 3 moving
part's {4 if it's an E-Mag}.
the less complicated something is,
the less that can go wrong with it.
You do the math

[TransMan]

AGD never gave up on the classic design they have used the Mag design the whole time they just put the best upgrades on their guns before they sold them. This way if u buy an Xmag u are already getting what u cocker guys have to upgrade to get.

[Dayspring]

Originally posted by strongboy2005

Nothing can just "go wrong" with an autococker.

Bust a hose on the field. Ooops. Forgot about that...

So AGAIN I have shut YOU down.

You seem to forget whose house you're in... This is an AGD board, with people who are Mag fans. (Yes we have some cocker & angel ones here. We have a quota ) If you are SOOOOO against Mags, why do you continue to post here? You're not changing any minds...

And no. You have not shut me down. There's another post of yours that says that the cocker will outrange the mag. You're proving our point. You don't know what you are talking about. Then there was your post stating that the cocker wasn't designed to last 10 years (like the mag). And that it was designed for the rough & tumble tournament player. Can you say "Huh?". I know the rest of us are...

You're also comparing 2 different model guns... See, the 68 classic came out right the first time. So it didn't NEED to be continually upgraded like the cocker models. Now that there are upgrades, the users of said markers can purchase them. If you want a really good comparison, why not do the Orracle and the RT Pro. They are 2 similarly priced guns at the same level. Want to start the comparisons? Go right ahead. And we'll show you that your unintelligent posts are unwelcome and unwanted around here.

Take the hint friend... You're picking a fight in our house. And we outnumber you by LOTS. Does the word "Custer" mean anything to you?

[Jeb_Hoge]

Originally posted by strongboy2005
If you buy an automag then I guarantee you I give you a maximum of 2 years, if you're serious about paintball, before you get an autococker, love it, and apply the tactics you had to learn from using a lesser gun for the time before you had your cocker. Then you will realize how much you wish that you had got an autococker in the first place because you will try to sell your $400 mag and only get $200 for it on eBay. Hey, it's not spam, it's what happened to me, and I regret buying my stock mag since. If you get a mag make sure you have $500 or so to trick it out with, or it won't be worth your while.

Oh, what a load. I was going to stay out of this but THIS post just slayed me. A "lesser gun"? Than a COCKER?

I have to agree with the posters who suggest the TKO Mag from pbgear.com. It's a good, inexpensive way to pick up a starter Automag that DOESN'T have to have HPA. Get it from there, or see if Pev's can do something similar at a similar price, and get Pev's to set up an antisiphon CO2 valve on your tank. Then, just avoid trying to be some finger-fluttering electroboy and learn to shoot it smoothly and accurately. Later on, when you've saved a little more, get an HPA tank, then get an Intelliframe, THEN get a Retrovalve.

[FalconGuy016]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA I cant believe you brought this back up, this is from monthes ago :)

[Nomad]

And just HOW many Cocker VS Mag threads are there on AO again?