Cocker/Mag Hybrid

[ZyperioN]

i would be glad to take one but i need to buy a new hinge frame and some small parts. so it's all waiting on the $$$. I hope ot have it completely done and be playing with it by christmas.

[cris8762]

if you get thsi working well, i'd be interested in sending you my mag to get this done we'll talk if you'd be interested in it

[Jack & Coke]

Cool ideas... :)

I found these pics over at PBN:

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18777&perpage=40&pagenumber=10#post1520714

Originally posted by the electrician
here's my old blue pneuma-sear mag






It's my back up gun and it needed a little softer shorter trigger... so I put some cocker parts on it. yeah I know it's blue

Did you ever get your version to work?

[Jack & Coke]

regarding the gun in my last post...

The owner writes:

the electrician wrote on 09-03-2003 07:52 PM:

The trigger pull is 1 mm and about 10 oz of force... so yeah it's short and pretty light. I'm trying to get it lighter.

No. I can't walk the trigger, but then again I don't like to shoot that way. It is however, almost impossible to short stroke it. It can out shoot the revvy in the right hands. The damn thing gets hot.

It's a mod that takes a mill and alot of patience to do. It's pretty simple really if you have the tools. the ASA is tapped to put the reg on the front, then a slot is milled in the body rail for th hose to travel to a micro 3-way behind the trigger. The air then goes to a small air ylinder which pulls the sear down off the bolt.

I think that new on/off design (ULT) might reduce the psi input into the valve, thereby reducing the trigger pull force a bit.

I'm working on a new design that is easier to build and works on a lower psi. and an electro version.

You know, a WGP hinge frame, with a bomb 4-way could produce a super light, 1 mm trigger pull for a mag that would be scary. That might be something to think about... :)

[ZyperioN]

thanks for that jack, yes i have gotten my design to work it's just not fully assembled yet, by holding the ram and 3way down with duct tape it does cycle quite well, i just gotta get the damn inner mounts made. Ill post pics when im done.

[Jack & Coke]

Cool... are you using your mod with the new ULT?

[ZyperioN]

nope, i could though, im only running the ram at 30 psi as it is so the ULT wouldn't make that much difference. PLus i got a classic valve on it so i'd have to go X before i could use the ult. WAIT.....No i wouldnt cause the ram would pull the sear back too, it wouldnt matter if the return force wasnt enough. ok im definately trying that once i get the thing done.

[nicad]

about a year ago I made a first version of this same thing.. but with a custom made 3-way..
pull was ~0.5mm and wieght was ~2-3oz. however it didnt have fast enough fireing rate.

Iv since been working on a new prototype snap 3-way that should be the answer. if all goes well itll all be a drop-in mod for existing grips.

time will tell..

[nicad]

oh yeah.. im doing this for mags and other mechanical type markers as well..

**edit: Just came across this thread again have removed un-necessary negative comment about Smart Parts. **

[Jack & Coke]

woot! woot!

nicad, you got any pics of your creation? :)

[nicad]

I should somewhere.. if i come across them (ie find them!) ill post em up!

[Jack & Coke]

[ZyperioN]

yeah the whole screw smart-parts was a big reason i started designing this. To give the mag and electro-like pull without messy electronics and the whole patent-issue

[personman]

I was just looking at pbn's mag pic thread and I saw that same post that jack & coke quoted and I realised how cool it would be to do this.. And as it was mentioned above, ULT = lighter force.. all you need is a ram that would work better (one for cockers = too long of a throw methinks) and maybe a bit less powerful to save space, and a 3way + lpr and.. damn its so tempting but I know ill start on it and then drift out of it like I do on every single other project I do. If you do end up doing it make sure to leave plans and stuff. :)

[ZyperioN]

oh dont you guys worry i have every intention of doing this, just gotta get the money all together for the finished product's parts.