Z.I.P.P. bolt that creats "M" effect?

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by jinxed


Magnus Force-

Which agrees with my point. I probably wasn't too clear.

It isn't the spin energy is not transfered into more range.

[Natural Newbie]

What about the Werm bolt (or whatever it is) for Impy's. My freind has one and he thinks its "pimp".

Just wondering if those have a patend on them yet. When I shot it with a 2 tone ball, you could see it backspinning, and it did seem to work to some extent. I forgot what type of barrel he was using, must have been a larger bore.

[jinxed]

Both the werm and undertow don't generate enough backspin to generate magnus. There is a certain threshold in order to create lift and reduce drag.

But, they don't claim to create magnus. They claim to only produce a small backspin in order to create a gyroscopic force. The theory is that a slight backspin would make the ball less likely to curve. Kinda like a rifled bullet. But bullets need an extremely fast spin to stablize, to it seems like alot of bunk.

I've never seen the ZIPP though. But from what I've read, it seems like an exact copy of the CooperT better bolt.

Nick

[GRAY SKULL]

ZIP IT BOLTS

WE DESIGNED THE BOLTS TO GIVE SOME LIFT AND XTRA VELOCITY.NOT BACKSPIN.It is almost impossible to give a paintball backspin.We have sold a lot of the Zip it bolts for the Angels and have had no problems with any of them being bad or not doing what we said they wouldd do.We only have made a handfull of Autococker bolts made,because they were to hard to make.because they were to long to machine.In the future they will be assembled in three pieces's.So we can make them for all cockers by changing the middle part to compinsate for the different lenghts.We have also made a Impulse bolt that is going to be better than any bolt made.We did some testing on it.We shot a hopper and 2 pods of paint with it and it only used about 500 to 600 psi.It also os very consistant at the chrono.This is achieved by the design of the air inlet.The hole is cut at a 45 degree angle to give the air a pamped effect.This helps in making the air flow much smoother.Thats why it is so consistant at the chrono.We think the holes in the bottom of the bolt does very little,but we think they do cause the air to be not so turbulant when shooting .????Al we know is If Rocky Cagnoni will use one of our bolts ,we must be doing something right.Rocky is the first baller to try out our bolts.He usd one at the last 2 world cup events.He also said ,and i quote"THIS IS THE MOST AIR EFICIENT BOLT I HAVE EVER USED"end quote...Our website has been down for some time know before the article came out in APG.It will be up soon.We have lcd and irs bolts in stock.And some pre 2000 cocker bolts.As for the under tow bolts ,never seen one so ours can not be a knock off,thank you.

James Martin
z.i.p.p.

[cledford]

Re: ZIP IT BOLTS

Originally posted by GRAY SKULL
WE DESIGNED THE BOLTS TO GIVE SOME LIFT AND XTRA VELOCITY.NOT BACKSPIN.It is almost impossible to give a paintball backspin.We have sold a lot of the Zip it bolts for the Angels and have had no problems with any of them being bad or not doing what we said they wouldd do.We only have made a handfull of Autococker bolts made,because they were to hard to make.because they were to long to machine.In the future they will be assembled in three pieces's.So we can make them for all cockers by changing the middle part to compinsate for the different lenghts.We have also made a Impulse bolt that is going to be better than any bolt made.We did some testing on it.We shot a hopper and 2 pods of paint with it and it only used about 500 to 600 psi.It also os very consistant at the chrono.This is achieved by the design of the air inlet.The hole is cut at a 45 degree angle to give the air a pamped effect.This helps in making the air flow much smoother.Thats why it is so consistant at the chrono.We think the holes in the bottom of the bolt does very little,but we think they do cause the air to be not so turbulant when shooting .????Al we know is If Rocky Cagnoni will use one of our bolts ,we must be doing something right.Rocky is the first baller to try out our bolts.He usd one at the last 2 world cup events.He also said ,and i quote"THIS IS THE MOST AIR EFICIENT BOLT I HAVE EVER USED"end quote...Our website has been down for some time know before the article came out in APG.It will be up soon.We have lcd and irs bolts in stock.And some pre 2000 cocker bolts.As for the under tow bolts ,never seen one so ours can not be a knock off,thank you.

James Martin
z.i.p.p.

If Rocky uses it, then it must be good I wonder where he hides his gun dyno?

-Calvin

[SlartyBartFast]

Hmm. Sorry, but some quote supporting unsubstantiated claims doesn't cut it in Deep Blue.

If they really work let's see some supporting data.

I'll accept they do nothing bad, but I am very sceptical they do anything what-so-ever that's benificial.

Deep Blue demands Data!

[aut911]

honestly, if you want to clear this whole mess up, you should take an angel, and bothe the zip and a another bolt with the same flow characteristics and test them both. and to make the test as accuret ( really bad spelling) as possible simply fire a loader of shots, change bolts, and fire another loader of shots. If you really want to get it down then try using a large bore barrel and some small paint like severe or evil.

aut

[jinxed]

Yes... but if companies started doing side-by-side tests to prove there claims..... well... Many would be out of business. *cough* smart parts *cough*

The basic nature of paintball is a very hype-driven atmosphere. Maybe the zip bolts work, but he says the CooperT ones don't, which I HAVE tested against normal bolts, and they work fabulous (under ideal conditions).

Nick

[GRAY SKULL]

CHECK THIS OUT

If you can find the issue of ACTION PURSUIT GAMES Magazine there is an article about mid ways of the magazine on our bolts...Which i might say was a very good article/testing.Or you can call Mondo at ANIMAL PAINTBALL and ask him how well they work.I almost forgot the issue.JULY of 2003 APG

[RobAGD]

YOu know a hopper and 2 pods of paint if real indepth r&d testing...

-Robert

[cledford]

Originally posted by RobAGD
YOu know a hopper and 2 pods of paint if real indepth r&d testing...

-Robert

Rob, what are you talking about? We all know how serious and "in-depth" AGD is about testing stuff :\ Oh wait, I forgot, I can call Mondo...

-Calvin

[GRAY SKULL]

[trxtr]

good test

that's a very comprehensive and detailed test, and the honesty in your results is commendable. good job

thanx
trxtr