Super Bolt Update with PICS (you guys are driving me nuts)

[AGD]

Guys,

I appreciate all the effort but the bolt is a precision piece that must seal air and never fall apart (it would come out the barrel). We oven braze the center piston in the bolt tube to make sure it stays there. We are going into limited production with the replacable delrin sleeve. Look for them first on the SFL Emags and for sale as an acc. part.

AGD

[Chris]

Have you guys tried Titanium for the bolt? I used to have a venom Lightning Bolt, and I do believe it was made of titanum with a composite face. It did weigh considerably less than the stock bolt I used it to replace.

-Chris

[DiRTyBuNNy]

i think they should put the super bolt for sale to AO members first..we're the ones who've been driving Tom to the edge of insanity since this thing was whispered about...

[Trent-MaximuS]

Titanium is a great metal but it is not stainless steel. Titanium is strong but soft at the same time. The titanium that venom uses is not NASA grade. So over time it will chip and flake. Also with titanium it will cost a hole lot more to re-tool the shop to start turning out titanium products. Now with the composite rod, well you need to make sure that thing won't come free and fly out (that's around 200 mph)

[LeadBasedPaint]

You could teflon coat them. Less friction means less wear. Or would that be too expensive?

[MAGgot Man]

I have a thought........

If the object is to lighten the bolt but maintain a good wear factor....why not just flute the existing stainless bolt? Like they do to rifle barrels in order to lighten them up while maintaining the general barrel characteristics. I realize we are talking about the Bolt of the Mag....but the concept is the same. It would lighten the bolt somewhat but since its stainless it would maintain a good wear factor.

[Restola]

my step dad has a couple titanium screws from several years ago when he worked for delta. they are less than an inch long and cost over $600 a piece. and thats a simple screw, not some whacko shape like a bolt

[Gunga]

Originally posted by Restola
my step dad has a couple titanium screws from several years ago when he worked for delta. they are less than an inch long and cost over $600 a piece. and thats a simple screw, not some whacko shape like a bolt

A lot of the cost for that screw (or any other part for an aircraft) is to pay for insurance. Take that screw for example...or a simple rivet. They may be the very same thing you can pick up at the hardware/auto parts store for a few cents - same manufacturer, same factory. But...and that's a big BUT...parts that are certified airworthy are horrendously expensive, due to the massive insurance that the manufacturers carry.

Back in my college days, I was taking flight & aircraft mechanic's courses. Civil aviation aircraft (Cessnas, Beechcraft, Piper, etc.) are ancient in terms of the technology used. Most of the engines still use carburetors rather than fuel injection. A simple caruburetor that you would pay maybe $20 for at the auto parts store would cost you from a few to several hundred dollars. Same exact part, just certified for aircraft use.

Whenever a plane crashes, anyone that can be hit with a lawsuit will most likely be sued. The lawyers aren't gonna go after the pilot...they'll go after whomever has the deep pockets, in this case, manufacturers of the various aircraft components, as well as the aircraft manufacturer.

[KamikazePenguin]

the inside rod of the bolt that seals with the powertube, have you guys at AGD toyed with the idea of making this rod delrin, or putting a delrin sleeve on it? you could then make the the powertube on the valve itself smooth SS and eliminate the need for power tube spacers/power tube o-rings, it wouldn't be necessary as the delrin would always seal with the powertube. The only problem i can think of is you wouldn't be able to oil the gun through the ASA because the oil would get on the delrin in the bolt and cause it to swell, making the bolt get stuck....that same thing could happen with the delrin sleeve so you've probably already found a way around it.

[Dubstar112]

also the derlin would wear out and eventually cause a bad seal.

[RiceRocket]

I hate to bring this thread back to the top, but I just wanted to throw out a couple more ideas:

What about making the main bolt spring lock into the body somehow, disallowing it from minimally floating and sitting at different angels after each trigger pull. This would keep it at a fixed position and, hopefully, not letting it rub on the delrin sleeve as much.

Or, can the main spring be coated with something, still keeping it's strength, but a smoother contact with the delrin?

[thei3ug]

i know, i know, but i just wanted to throw one more idea into the pot for the sake of argument.

what would be wrong with a bolt such as this, maintaining a one-piece stainless body, with a consistant OD, with long machined holes drilled as such down the length:

[FDB1]

Originally posted by Zarak
I HAVE THE PERFECT IDEA!!!

We should put a couple of those elves in the bolt! Those small guys can do miracles!!!

he probly would, but it would cost us more, and im sure those elves are almost extinct, and hard to find, now that so many people are buying autocockers

[DiRTyBuNNy]

Well..World Cup coming next week and the Super bolt officially making it's appearance on the SFL eMags...when does the general public get a shot to buy one of these bolts...i'm gonna be upgrading my mag to an eMag and i want to know how i can get one...i wanna be a guinea pig...

[AGD]

Subsequent testing is showing that most of the wear happens when you dry fire the gun without a barrel. The bolts that are only shot with barrels are showing much less wear.

Manny your black SFL is going together monday with the new bolt in it and I am bringing one down for your regular gun on monday.

AGD