Smart Parts Patent Will Destroy Paintball! - Read!

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by icegod
So that would mean that the military actually started the progression, yes since the "official" game in the 80s, but the claim of my grandfather, along with the 70s patent of electronic "device" of the navy, that would practically stop the patenting of any marker possibly. Granted you'd have to check into my grandfather's claims more. He died in 95, but, he was always saying my nelspot and cobra made him think back to the war and them testing this kind of stuff. He also basically explained the whole concept except theirs wasn't gas powered it was spring powered similar to talons.

If they didn't use gas, then they didn't work like paintball guns (BTW, the Talon is still gas powered).

[icegod]

I shoulda been more specific, sorry, there is a talon that is an airsoft style marker that shoots 40cals. I relate it more to paintball than airsoft because of the 40cal being closer to 68cal than 6mm :) it is a pump action spring'd marker. I didn't even think of the actual talon by brass eagle, that totally slipped my mind. I'll search and see if i can find it through some sites, but it works pretty much the same minus the air. I just was using it for reference that they were testing this, also this was in the 40s-50s so maybe between then and the 70s might have used air, i was just stating it for reference

[TheTramp]

Originally posted by slushee
Do you have a link to the court proceedings on that suit against ICD?

Court proceedings are not generally available on the web.

If you are taking about filed cases and court decisions (of which there are no decisions regarding this issue at this point) you'll have to pay the fees to access the "Westlaw" web site to get the official documents unless someone's law firm givers them a e-copy to post (guess how often this happens).

[icegod]

Originally posted by TheTramp


Court proceedings are not generally available on the web.

If you are taking about filed cases and court decisions (of which there are no decisions regarding this issue at this point) you'll have to pay the fees to access the "Westlaw" web site to get the official documents unless someone's law firm givers them a e-copy to post (guess how often this happens).

Exactly, but you can also check state law libraries, and state court sites, Alot of them have the case numbers, defendant\plaintif and a breifing about it, and some even have the whole case filing. But since up until friday its mainly been hearings and etc its probably not going to be found anywhere. As Jim said friday courts decided ICD was in violation and set a trial date for the case. So far I have been unable to actually find this one, but haven't searched too hard, mainly been doing alot of emailing and calls as alot of others for previous work, also enlighting some of the less-intellectual people out there on whats going on.

[Catch22]

Wouldn't Smart Parts then have a monopoly on the sales of all electropneumatic/electronic gripframed paintball markers using a switch?

*EDIT* Took out the immature part.

[icegod]

Originally posted by Catch22
Wouldn't Smart Parts then have a monopoly on the sales of all electropneumatic/electronic gripframed paintball markers using a switch?

OH yeah are there any good hackers out there? I'm sure something could be done in that matter which is totally illegal and I do not encourage you to engage in or support the practice of illegal activities.

Just a suggestion

Yes they would, they would control that market, but not just with a switch, their patent covers basically battery opperated, solenoid, or have an on\off. which means all electro markers


Hackers lol, come on people, lets be mature about it because if we were to attack them in that manor we would be no better than them :) but really, we have to fight this in a proper manner.

[shartley]

Originally posted by TJ03A


Sorry about that, lost that in the length of this thread.

No problem... lots of posts there. :)

[thecavemankevin]

Originally posted by jinxed


The "latest" reply from Smart Parts confirms what Manike said:

"As for the lawsuit it’s really not up to me. But I do know this, it’s been going on now for a couple of years. This didn’t happen over night. Smart Parts went to every company out there with electronic gun at the time and sat down and talked to each one of them trying to keep it from going to court. But every one of them said go **** yourself. Paintball is growing and will continue to grow and just like the guy who invented the tennis racquet and gets royalties off each one Billy and Adam feel they should be with there invention of the Electronic gun. When they first told people about it, they took so much criticism and said it couldn’t be done and it would never work. They tried to keep it simple and not take it to court but no would give credit where credit was do. Sorry but In a way I do agree with them I just think it could have been done different. I hope people who are in business can see why this has been done, Thanks. Smart Parts"

So, Manike was telling the truth....
Its also interesing that is reply totally contradicts what the last letter from Smart Parts said (about the lawsuit having nothing to do with electronics).

-Nick

That is the exact same letter i recieved when i emailed smart parts two days ago.

I pulled these off of another forum, originally posted by paintbalr1331:


Well here are all of the cases listed for "Smart Parts" in the Federal courts. The most recent was filed in 11/2002 against WDP but I was not able to pull up the plaintiff's petition to see what it was about.

3:2002cv01557 (Oregon) 11/15/2002
SMART PARTS INC vs. WDP LTD

2:1997cv01425 (Pennsylvania) 08/05/1997
SMART PARTS, INC vs. WDP, LTD.

2:1995cv00839 (Pennsylvania) 05/31/1995
SMART PARTS, INC. vs. BARRELS OF AMERICA

6:2000mc00102 (Florida) 10/12/2000
SMART PARTS, INC. vs. INDIAN CREEK DESIGN

2:2000cv01482 (Pennsylvania) 08/01/2000
SMART PARTS, INC. vs. INDIAN CREEK DESIGN

3:2002cv00843 (Oregon) 06/21/2002
SMART PARTS, INC. vs. USA AIR CONCEPTS, INC.

3:2002cv01498 (Oregon) 11/05/2002
SMART PARTS, INC. vs. INDIAN CREEK DESIGNS, INC.

[shartley]

Originally posted by thecavemankevin



That is the exact same letter i recieved when i emailed smart parts two days ago.

I pulled these off of another forum, originally posted by paintbalr1331:


Well here are all of the cases listed for "Smart Parts" in the Federal courts. The most recent was filed in 11/2002 against WDP but I was not able to pull up the plaintiff's petition to see what it was about.

3:2002cv01557 (Oregon) 11/15/2002
SMART PARTS INC vs. WDP LTD

2:1997cv01425 (Pennsylvania) 08/05/1997
SMART PARTS, INC vs. WDP, LTD.

2:1995cv00839 (Pennsylvania) 05/31/1995
SMART PARTS, INC. vs. BARRELS OF AMERICA

6:2000mc00102 (Florida) 10/12/2000
SMART PARTS, INC. vs. INDIAN CREEK DESIGN

2:2000cv01482 (Pennsylvania) 08/01/2000
SMART PARTS, INC. vs. INDIAN CREEK DESIGN

3:2002cv00843 (Oregon) 06/21/2002
SMART PARTS, INC. vs. USA AIR CONCEPTS, INC.

3:2002cv01498 (Oregon) 11/05/2002
SMART PARTS, INC. vs. INDIAN CREEK DESIGNS, INC.

[Kraemer]

Damnit... I had ideas for titanium guns, a company starting making them....I had ideas for an Electronic hand gun, a company makes em...


I will never post my Ideas on the internet again


I will not Patent the Idea For titanium paintball guns however....A titanium mag would be so kick ***..

One day all PB guns will be titanium..so

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by shartley

Be fair, we don't know what all those are about, nor do we know the status. Simply having the lawsuit doesn't ruin anything, but people are talking about the effect of a win for SP.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Albinonewt


Be fair, we don't know what all those are about, nor do we know the status. Simply having the lawsuit doesn't ruin anything, but people are talking about the effect of a win for SP.

[Albinonewt]

The simple thing Shartley is that this is a big deal no matter what. Whether Smart Parts wins or loses every company now has to prepare for the possibility of them winning. As Tom already said, they have been working on the ULE in preparation for this, and I doubt their the only ones. Now that this is (apparently) really picking up steam various companies are going to have to rethink their entire strategy to compensate for a possible SP win. Waiting for all the facts to come in simply isn't an option when dealing with the solvency of your company. They will plan and adjust, to varying degrees, in case Smart Parts wins. Plan for the worst and hope for the best.

BTW - that hardly means the industry will collapse, it actually means just the opposite. When this is all over (provided the proper planning and insight is applied) I expect the industry will, for the most part, survive and thrive.

[poolshark5226]

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by poolshark5226
If thats true, then AKA and AGD are lying?

No more of that Uranium gate nonsense.

Being wrong doesn't always mean lying. They could simply have been misinformed, or have drawn incorrect conclusions.