Smart Parts Patent Will Destroy Paintball! - Read!

[icegod]

joey d

SP's Patents

Navy's Patent

Also what was mentioned about FTC was the shutdown on Adam Gardner and George Davidson (of Smart Parts) patent submission scam.

FTC Document

All thise links were in the thread, or on a page that was linked from the thread

I think those were what u were asking for if not well i know the navy one was one so :)


ALSO one of the IOG members (one of their big posters with 2200+ posts) actually posted a link for a petition on IOG for Anti-SP btw he shoots a viking now instead of an imp :), but heres the link to the petition since the threads probably closed by now like the other 5 or 6

Anti-SmartParts Online Petition

[robert heatwole]

smartparts=PIGS!!

[jinxed]

Originally posted by Johnny_Reb

Shockers were extremely popular when they were first released and flooded the scene, proving you wrong. And about that whole SP first electro thing, if you ask a player who ivented the electro, unless they go and search hard for it they will say"Smart Parts".SP is credited with the first electro, not the Navy or anything else.

I think most people would argue that the Shockers flooded -any- scene. They seemed more like a gimmick when they came out. The Tournament scene since 1988 consisted of mostly Bushies, then Mags, then Cockers, then Angels... now its mostly mixed. The only team I've played that used all Shockers was the All Americans...

Yes, most people think Smart Parts invented the electro- Why? Because most players started playing AFTER the shocker came out. I'm old enough to remember a couple of electros from the early 90s. To say that the Shocker was the first commercial electro is totally ignorant. Was it the first mass-produced one? Yes. Does that give them exclusive rights? No. Did they even design/produce it? No. That was PVI.

Most players think the Shocker was the first Full-Auto... no, that was in 1986
Most people think the flatline was the first "backspin system". No, that was the BetterBolt.

NIck

[Johnny_Reb]

Most players think the Shocker was the first Full-Auto...

Most players havent been playing very long. The average player will tell you that SP invented the first electro, after all SP's always bragging and shoving it in ppl's faces that they invented the first electro.

As for the Shocker I have seen and heard enough ppl talk about its popularity when it first came out. After all its what made SP popular among players. Its popularity was short lived tho, John Rice ivented the Angel not much longer, taking alot of sales away from SP. It was about this time when SP started getting more aggressive in their ads, they hired a new guy to market them, who is responsible for the SP logo and adds.

[JEDI]

Its just sad... This is why paintball will never make it big. No matter how friendly, and team spirited the players may be, the driving industry will always be full of backstabbing, money hungry people. This doesn't surprise me coming from an industry that splits its venues because of money and recognition.

Paintball = money, not comraderie/sportsmanship

[Johnny_Reb]

Its just sad... This is why paintball will never make it big. No matter how friendly, and team spirited the players may be, the driving industry will always be full of backstabbing, money hungry people. This doesn't surprise me coming from an industry that splits its venues because of money and recognition.

So true.....but their are companies like AGD, WGP, WDP,etc. that care about the sport and want it to grow.

[m-98]

This probably is a stupid idea, but couldn't a company sell an electro without the switch, then have the owner of the gun buy a switch at Radio Shack and install it, similar to the Intelliframe?

[shartley]

Originally posted by JEDI
Its just sad... This is why paintball will never make it big. No matter how friendly, and team spirited the players may be, the driving industry will always be full of backstabbing, money hungry people. This doesn't surprise me coming from an industry that splits its venues because of money and recognition.

Paintball = money, not comraderie/sportsmanship

[shartley]

Originally posted by Johnny_Reb
So true.....but their are companies like AGD, WGP, WDP,etc. that care about the sport and want it to grow.

[P4ULuk]

Originally posted by m-98
This probably is a stupid idea, but couldn't a company sell an electro without the switch, then have the owner of the gun buy a switch at Radio Shack and install it, similar to the Intelliframe?

It isn't just the switch se pas, its the fact its elctro pneumatic..

Paul
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[bryceeden]

I am closing my distributer account with smartparts, if this goes thru it will badly hurt every paintball buissness out there. The ULE trigger may soon be the best method of getting a high rate of fire.

[m-98]

Thanks for the prompt reply. I posted that idea because the patent info was confusing and I just remember people here saying it was just the on/off switch, well maybe someone said it.

[DK1]

well, for those who are saying that this will help mechanical markers, I'm sure you're right. But do you think that the onslaught of cheap electros had anything to do with the affordability of mech's nowadays? I remember my brother bought his first spyder for $140. Powerfeed, m16 grip, and just a regular bottomline. Now what does $140 get you? Prolly a vert feed egrip with a regulator. You can get a BKO for $250 now... stock cockers can be found for just a little over $300, and that's with vert feed and a 45 swing frame. Cockers used to be $400 for rf and a old crappy grip. Even more the further you go back. Not to mention the details that they added, like drilling the bodies to adjust the sear lug, valve jam nuts, and decent stock pneumatics.

The mag has undergone constant renovation during this time, and the price has still declined.

Mags and cockers, while also affected heavily by the vert bodies and lvl10, have gotten cheaper because of electros.

If the sport goes back to the day when there are no electros, do you think the now ultra-competitive mechs are going to keep their prices low? Maybe, Tom Kaye is a nice guy, but from a business standpoint, I just don't see it happening industry wide. Think also of the paint consumption... that might affect your playing price a little when RPS and ProCaps can't sell as much paint. Might be slight, but it will affect it.

So no, it might not kill the sport, and paintball did exist before the advent of the electro, but I don't want to go back to paying those prices.

DK1

[icegod]

Originally posted by m-98
This probably is a stupid idea, but couldn't a company sell an electro without the switch, then have the owner of the gun buy a switch at Radio Shack and install it, similar to the Intelliframe?

Not being too familiar with and never used an intelliframe, but here goes. Maybe i miss-read but from reading and studying the patents, posts and comments from tom and jim as well as doc and a few others that i know are reliable sources. It seems that it also refers to electronic grip frames. This would also include items such as the eblade as well. They're patents cover basically everything, battery opperated, soleniod opperated, electro with on off switch, etc. Maybe i'm wrong but from reading the various patents they have, if they can prove its totally legit and all (which can be done in court, hell look at the oj trial, just need good lawyers which SP ofcourse does, especially in the patent portion), then they would have a lock on ANY electronic marker, also gripframes and such to convert to electro. Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but that was my interpertation of the patents and etc. I'm no legal wiz so i could be wrong :)

[JEDI]

So true.....but their are companies like AGD, WGP, WDP,etc. that care about the sport and want it to grow.

I'm not talking about growth. I'm talking about growing in the eyes of the non paintball public. No one will want to embrace paintball as a new sport as long as the inter-industry fighting continues. And as far as WDP goes, they're not much better. They pretty much run the NPPL, and refuse to show up at any other venues. They're in it for the promotion status.

Again, I'm not talking about growth compared to previous years. Shartley, I'm not trying to make this a rec ball vs. tourney ball issue,(really, I'm not) but if you've been to any majors lately, you'd noticed how stripped down they are. Different big name companies refuse to show up at different venues. Paintball has split between the PSP, and the NPPL. X-ball teams are not allowed by their sponsors, to play anything but X-ball. Its all about personal interest, and who will benefit from what.

Its my opinion that paintball will never see the light of day compared to tennis, football, or baseball. No one will be interested as long as there is inter-industry fighting. the paintball industry cant agree to help paintball. Companies only want to help themselves.