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  • No sKiLLz
    NYX #16
    • Apr 2003
    • 930

    #166
    Originally posted by Johnny_Reb
    If you ask me SP is sending a serious message to the players"DONT MESS WITH SP!" Now if SP could do this to other companies this could psyche out alot of players. Ppl wont feel safe buying non SP electros, thusly resulting in increased gun sales for SP.
    Whatever you are smoking, Johnny, please be good enough to share with the rest of us. And for your own good, don't fall asleep in economics class.

    BTW, just cuz some of your local buddies picked up a few shockers back in the day doesn't mean the majority of the paintball world did.
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    cphilip - ...And again I am not allowing anyone to use the "well everyone else does it and gets away with it" excuse. Get used to it. Life aint always fair and this ain't no democracy.

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    • Johnny_Reb
      Method
      • Jan 2003
      • 407

      #167
      The problem here is that Smart Parts did not invent either of these. Do a patent search yourself and you will see what we mean!
      If you had to do a search to figure out who invented the first electro chances are SP has a good chance of winning the case.

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      • 845
        Banned
        • Nov 2001
        • 1809

        #168
        Originally posted by Johnny_Reb
        Lol didnt you hear robert SP patented electricty
        and Al Gore invented the internet

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        • Johnny_Reb
          Method
          • Jan 2003
          • 407

          #169
          BTW, just cuz some of your local buddies picked up a few shockers back in the day doesn't mean the majority of the paintball world did.
          Well actually none of my friends own shockers but thats besides the point. If you knew anything about the past of paintball(which youve alrdy proven you dont) you would know that Shockers were very popular when they were relaesed.

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          • No sKiLLz
            NYX #16
            • Apr 2003
            • 930

            #170
            Originally posted by Johnny_Reb
            If you had to do a search to figure out who invented the first electro chances are SP has a good chance of winning the case.
            Wow. Any comments? Anyone?
            Miscue - *Banned for: Flaming, disruptive behavior, and overall jackassery* -Brian

            cphilip - ...And again I am not allowing anyone to use the "well everyone else does it and gets away with it" excuse. Get used to it. Life aint always fair and this ain't no democracy.

            Check out AO mods at their finest

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            • Trauma
              Registered User
              • Jul 2003
              • 39

              #171
              I agree that its total bs that smartparts is trying to pull this off, but for everyone that actually owns an electro right now, you have nothing to worry about, I mean they aren't gonna take it from u and give u an impulse or something

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              • Conqueror
                PBN Mod Squad
                • Feb 2002
                • 167

                #172
                Another point worth mentioning is that SP didn't even have the first paintgun with a switch. All shockers that were produced under an SP-only patent came with no on-off switches until several years after the start of the "electro revolution".

                Something you all may be forgetting to take into account is the ever-present threat of out-of-court settlements. SP no doubt has a large legal budget, one which may outweigh the entire operating budgets of some of the companies which are going to come under fire due to this new patent expansion. Faced with paying a royalty on each marker and raising the prices on their guns, or losing gangantuan amounts of money in legal fees to try and defend themselves, some may choose the former over the latter. I'd be more worried about companies tanking from exorbitant legal fees than the actual lawsuit itself... there's too much prior art and pre-existing technology for the patent to stand before a competent judge, not to mention the shady pasts of the Gardners and George Davidson - which are relevant in such a trial.

                CQ
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                • Webmaster
                  Former Moderator

                  • Oct 2000
                  • 1765

                  #173
                  I havent read this whole thread - but it doesnt surprise me. Its status quo. The have been quietly in the process of suing people who I consider friends at ICD.

                  They fail to innovate - only impersonate.

                  Furthermore - if they try to enforce thier broad patent they are personally kicking every person in the sport square in the nuts.

                  Tom Kaye, Tippmann, Palmer, Orr - they all have made inventions in this sport that caused it to grow and progress as a whole. They didnt capitalize on it - they allowed thier innovations to be used and bring the sport out of the stone ages.

                  I think doc nickle has a great post here:



                  Personally - I have been anti smart parts for 3-4 years.

                  And if they most to further enforce their patent - I give them a big heafty screw you.

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                  • No sKiLLz
                    NYX #16
                    • Apr 2003
                    • 930

                    #174
                    Originally posted by Johnny_Reb
                    Well actually none of my friends own shockers but thats besides the point. If you knew anything about the past of paintball(which youve alrdy proven you dont) you would know that Shockers were very popular when they were relaesed.
                    Where's your proof? You have no idea how long I've been playing paintball. Popular in what sense? http://www.ivillage.co.uk/ivillageuk...182561,00.html Here, try this real quick.
                    Miscue - *Banned for: Flaming, disruptive behavior, and overall jackassery* -Brian

                    cphilip - ...And again I am not allowing anyone to use the "well everyone else does it and gets away with it" excuse. Get used to it. Life aint always fair and this ain't no democracy.

                    Check out AO mods at their finest

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                    • snoogans
                      snootch.2.the.nootch
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 1268

                      #175
                      as part of the celebration, i took my hard to get time to make a special picture for us all! take a looksee!

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                      • rx2
                        DBAF
                        • Mar 2002
                        • 496

                        #176
                        A lot of people here seem to be under the assumption that this needn't be taken seriously as SP would not dare do something like that. I think that is being a bit too optimistic.

                        While many lawsuits are frivilous and poorly thought out, it would be safe to assume that this is not one of them. Consider that the SP guys have experience with patent law. Also consider the position they are in. Now, I can not imagine that such a company would not have thought out and weighed the benefits vs. the potential losses. We here were not the first to think lawsuit = boycott. You can bet they have already factored in the possibility that there would be a large segment of the buying public that would be very angry with them, and I am sure they know how far some are willing to go. They know full well that they may take a hit intially. However, I am sure they have been busy analyzing their sales trends, and have probably reasoned such that
                        A) The hit they take won't be big enough to cause significant fiscal harm, such that they would be threatened in any way
                        B) The hit they do take would be negated many times over by the potential profit they will make.

                        Now, I can't speculate on how this will pan out. However; I may be pessimistic; I must assume that IF SP plans to carry out this suit as we have been speculating, they not only feel confident that they can and will win, but that any negative publicity and initial loss of sales would be absorbed and negated in the long term.

                        To distill things, I think that unless we are all frighteningly proactive about this, SP WILL sue. The suit may not end they way they wish, but they will certainly try.
                        Last edited by rx2; 07-21-2003, 09:31 PM.
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                        • Ov3rmind
                          Speechless
                          • Nov 2001
                          • 2637

                          #177
                          AGD really should patent compressed air for paintball guns, then SP can bow down from it's Nazi perch and kiss AGD's ***.

                          This is terrible, any company who takes money over the sport they market for does not deserve a profit at all. From here on out, I will NEVER buy a single SP product ever. And just incase and SP head honchos stumble across this, I am going to advise everyone I play with and other people at my local fields to do the same.
                          Converge Kills

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                          • No sKiLLz
                            NYX #16
                            • Apr 2003
                            • 930

                            #178
                            Originally posted by Conqueror
                            Another point worth mentioning is that SP didn't even have the first paintgun with a switch. All shockers that were produced under an SP-only patent came with no on-off switches until several years after the start of the "electro revolution".

                            Something you all may be forgetting to take into account is the ever-present threat of out-of-court settlements. SP no doubt has a large legal budget, one which may outweigh the entire operating budgets of some of the companies which are going to come under fire due to this new patent expansion. Faced with paying a royalty on each marker and raising the prices on their guns, or losing gangantuan amounts of money in legal fees to try and defend themselves, some may choose the former over the latter. I'd be more worried about companies tanking from exorbitant legal fees than the actual lawsuit itself... there's too much prior art and pre-existing technology for the patent to stand before a competent judge, not to mention the shady pasts of the Gardners and George Davidson - which are relevant in such a trial.

                            CQ
                            If the defendant wins the suit, the plaintiff has to pay all legal fees on both sides of the table. FYI.
                            Miscue - *Banned for: Flaming, disruptive behavior, and overall jackassery* -Brian

                            cphilip - ...And again I am not allowing anyone to use the "well everyone else does it and gets away with it" excuse. Get used to it. Life aint always fair and this ain't no democracy.

                            Check out AO mods at their finest

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                            • snoogans
                              snootch.2.the.nootch
                              • Jun 2003
                              • 1268

                              #179
                              SMART PARTS...THE DEVIL IS COMING FOR U, THE QUIJA BOARD SAYS SO!!!

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                              • No sKiLLz
                                NYX #16
                                • Apr 2003
                                • 930

                                #180
                                Originally posted by rx2
                                A lot of people here seem to be under the assumption that this needn't be taken seriously as SP would not dare do something like that. I think that is being a bit too optimistic.

                                While many lawsuits are frivilous and poorly thought out, it would be safe to assume that this is not one of them. Consider that the SP guys have experience with patent law. Also consider the position they are in. Now, I can not imagine that such a company would not have thought out and weighed the benefits vs. the potential losses. We here were not the first to think lawsuit = boycott. You can bet they have already factored in the possibility that there would be a large segment of the buying public that would be very angry with them, and I am sure they know how far some are willing to go. They know full well that they may take a hit intially. However, I am sure they have been busy analyzing their sales trends, and have probably reasoned such that
                                A) The hit they take won't be big enough to cause significant fiscal harm, such that they would be threatened in any way
                                B) The hit they do take would be negated many times over by the potential profit they will make.

                                Now, I can't speculate on how this will pan out. However; I may be pessimistic; I must assume that IF SP plans to carry out this suit as we have been speculating, they not only feel confident that they can and will win, but that any negative publicity and initial loss of sales would be absorbed and negated in the long term.
                                Ur missing the point. If SP wins, they are under NO obligation to produce anything. They collect royalties and licensing fees from other people who care enough about making markers to continue, and the most effort they ever have to exert is walking to the mailbox to pull out the check (unless they have direct deposit).
                                Miscue - *Banned for: Flaming, disruptive behavior, and overall jackassery* -Brian

                                cphilip - ...And again I am not allowing anyone to use the "well everyone else does it and gets away with it" excuse. Get used to it. Life aint always fair and this ain't no democracy.

                                Check out AO mods at their finest

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