Smart Parts Patent Will Destroy Paintball! - Read!

[shartley]

Originally posted by manike
I don't try to do that.

Well then let me apologize for misinterpreting all your posts that seem like that is what you were indeed trying to do.

Originally posted by manike
Thank you. So you do at least see the point here. Excellent paragraph I agree with it completely.

And thank YOU, yes we do agree on much.

Originally posted by manike
Nope I agree with you in general.

Again, see.. there is not as much difference in opinion as was made out to be.

Originally posted by manike
I also think consumers have little or no say in what is going to happen now in that this is in the hands of the courts and lawyers and what their actions are, is the most important thing. But you know what? We (as in those of us on the net) have already made a difference in a small way (possibly a VERY big way, but who is to know yet). Some information and prior art that has turned up during these threads and discussions was previously unknown to some parties involved in this. They know about it now and every little helps.

Originally posted by manike
I don't think a boycott will ultimately achieve much here other than letting SP know that some consumers do not like what actions they are taking.

Originally posted by manike
I do think that people should be made aware of what is happening and what might happen. I don't think someone should be preaching that it won't happen just because they don't think it will. I think people should know all the possible outcomes.

Originally posted by manike
The power of the net and communication and discussion is not to be taken lightly. We can make a difference, by finding out a little bit more info, or by making more people aware. It all helps. 2 heads are better than one when it comes to searching for information. 1 thousand heads or more are even better... and that's how many people have so far signed the petition. I expect there are many more reading all this that haven't signed but they may still have known a little bit of useful information.

Originally posted by manike
I encourage those that are still looking for earlier web posts about electro's or earlier prior art in other fields to continue. Who knows, someone may find the smoking gun (electro? ) that solves the case.

[manike]

Originally posted by shartley
I believe that if truly wrong, SP will be proven so in court.

I don't have so much faith in the American patent court system, having had to deal with it myself.

I also don't think OJ was innocent, and yet an American court found him so? See miscarriages of justice do happen! Even when unexpected.(yes I know about the civil case, but I don't believe there is such a thing when it comes to patent law).

Originally posted by shartley

I don't share the same faith. Having had to deal with the courts before and knowing more about what is going on in this case than most. I know the industry is worried about this (and some have considered crumbling), having spoken to heads of many/most of the top electro companies involved. I don't think you can say the same thing can you?

I'm hoping it won't be the worst case scenario, but that won't prove any of us right as such. If I fight my side and it works, does that mean you were correct? or should we just bury our heads and hope what you say is going to turn out to be true? As long as SP don't take control then I win. I don't care about discussions on web forums in comparison to the bigger picture. If we weren't doing what we are who knows there may have been a different outcome. Cause and effect. Chaos theory. It's all unknown until you open the box and find out if the cat is dead or ready to claw your eyeballs out...

[Fishsticks]

Originally posted by manike
I don't care about discussions on web forums in comparison to the bigger picture.

Well said.

[shartley]

Originally posted by manike
I don't have so much faith in the American patent court system, having had to deal with it myself.

And that is fine.. nothing wrong with you feeling that way.

Originally posted by manike
I also don't think OJ was innocent, and yet an American court found him so? See miscarriages of justice do happen! Even when unexpected.(yes I know about the civil case, but I don't believe there is such a thing when it comes to patent law).

Originally posted by manike
I don't share the same faith. Having had to deal with the courts before and knowing more about what is going on in this case than most. I know the industry is worried about this (and some have considered crumbling), having spoken to heads of many/most of the top electro companies involved. I don't think you can say the same thing can you?

Originally posted by manike
I'm hoping it won't be the worst case scenario, but that won't prove any of us right as such. If I fight my side and it works, does that mean you were correct? or should we just bury our heads and hope what you say is going to turn out to be true? As long as SP don't take control then I win. I don't care about discussions on web forums in comparison to the bigger picture. If we weren't doing what we are who knows there may have been a different outcome. Cause and effect. Chaos theory. It's all unknown until you open the box and find out if the cat is dead or ready to claw your eyeballs out...

[jinxed]

It's all unknown until you open the box and find out if the cat is dead or ready to claw your eyeballs out...

Like Doc said, if SP wins, then the honeymoon is over.

Alot of paintball designs were not patented early on because the inventors felt it would help paintball grow.

So, regardless if SP wins or looses, this is probobly just the tip of the iceburg.

-Nick

[manike]

This may take some following.. who's on first base?

Originally posted by shartley
But to think, or to insinuate that because you talked to people I have not, and they too think like you do does not prove you are any more correct than I am.

Ah so I know things/facts about what is happening that you don't know, but we both just have 'opinions' on things that I know but you don't? Interesting concept.

You mean you have an opinion on what is happening which doesn't agree with my fact that I know of what is happening.

Now for you and others who don't know what I know, then yes I can see how you just think we both hold opinions.

And for some who don't want to take what I am saying as fact because I can't always reveal my sources I can see how you just want it to be my opinion rather than being able to accept it's a fact that you just don't know or don't have the resources to know.

I try to make my resources known but it isn't easy.

I know certain facts and know I am correct. If I know that and your opinion is different, then your opinion is no longer just an opinion, but an incorrect one. Get it?

I'm sorry you don't have all the information I do, and that that's why you are incorrect but that happens sometimes. That's life. Sometimes some one else holds the cards and it makes you wrong. Just because you don't know why you are wrong doesn't make you any less wrong does it?

Originally posted by shartley

You are

There's more to it than faith. There is knowledge. Call it insider knowledge if you will.

[shartley]

Originally posted by jinxed


Like Doc said, if SP wins, then the honeymoon is over.

Alot of paintball designs were not patented early on because the inventors felt it would help paintball grow.

So, regardless if SP wins or looses, this is probobly just the tip of the iceburg.

-Nick

[shartley]

Re: This may take some following.. who's on first base?

Originally posted by manike


Ah so I know things/facts about what is happening that you don't know, but we both just have 'opinions' on things that I know but you don't? Interesting concept.

You mean you have an opinion on what is happening which doesn't agree with my fact that I know of what is happening.

Now for you and others who don't know what I know, then yes I can see how you just think we both hold opinions.

And for some who don't want to take what I am saying as fact because I can't always reveal my sources I can see how you just want it to be my opinion rather than being able to accept it's a fact that you just don't know or don't have the resources to know.

I try to make my resources known but it isn't easy.

I know certain facts and know I am correct. If I know that and your opinion is different, then your opinion is no longer just an opinion, but an incorrect one. Get it?

I'm sorry you don't have all the information I do, and that that's why you are incorrect but that happens sometimes. That's life. Sometimes some one else holds the cards and it makes you wrong. Just because you don't know why you are wrong doesn't make you any less wrong does it?



You are

There's more to it than faith. There is knowledge. Call it insider knowledge if you will.

[AGD]

Shartley, I will ask you nicely to please back off. This thread is breaking down.

AGD

[shartley]

Originally posted by AGD
Shartley, I will ask you nicely to please back off. This thread is breaking down.

AGD

[mR.HaAPPY]

OMG, is this true???? http://www.kingmanusa.com/ubb/ultima...;f=13;t=005288

i've been trying to keep up with reading the posts in this thread, but there r freakin 29 pages.... and although i do enjoy the time i spend browsing through AO.. there r just more important things to be done. so, sorry if this was already posted.

[TecnoRobo]

Wow, i havent seen any that anywhere on AO. Is this possably a rumor, or actually true.

AGD or Someone else could you please inform us?
Im really still in awe over this entire situation,it hasnt hit me yet.
Everything is just now starting to register...

[manike]

I don't know for certain but find it hard to believe that is true currently.

People involved in that case have been posting occasional pieces of information and I think if it had been decided then they would be able to say so, especially since that was dated from quite a few days ago now.

I think there would have been some more official press release if it was true. And actually saying that I don't think it is true because one of the the court dates for the case is due in september... for it to be true ICD would have to have folded early?

I'm by no means certain at this point though. I might be able to find out tomorrow.

[Paintballer1833]

You guys are all a bounch of idiots who dont know whats going on and either do i. No one knows dammit stop being a bunch of *POOF* and wait for an announcement you can trust. Not the damn WAS president who has data that made their patents broader. Does that mean they are going after all people who come close to breaking into them. Untill we see them in court trying to actually do this or they make a public announcment saying they are you guys are just being *POOF* idiots.

Welcome to AO. Keep cussing like that and your stay will be short. Feel free to read the rules on cussing

[TecnoRobo]

calm down, and yes these people happen to know what they are talking about. After all AGD does own a paintball company and most of these other people happen to be very highly ranked (if you want to call it that) in the industry.

So, yes some of these people actually have access to more information then we do. But i guess i can see your point

kind of