Boltless markers. Wave of the future or just another fad?

[magman007]

x-plosive it is true though. your gun is not moving hwen you shoot. when you pull the triger there isnt a bolt that flies forewards to make you move. the epic justs lets the ball float out without any problem. i know i am more accurate with my friends epic than i am with my mag or my otner friends bushy. they do make a difference. plus theres no worry of bolt stick or chopped balls or bolt/ sear chipping

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[X-Plosive]

wow! I don't think many people can be any more accurate then i am with my mag when i have a semi good paint/barrel match. Next time I go to the field I'll measure the chot groupings at 30 yds for you.

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Taking mags apart is fun, its even more fun when you don't know what you're doing

Ohh yeah and Tunaman sorry for all the stress and all the things I've broken.

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[nastymag]

guy the max ROF of the epic is 9bps not 6.
still a little low but not to bad.
i want to get one in the futer

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in the biggining god created two gun and he said thuo automag shall be for the just and fair and the autococker for the evil and cheaters.

[AngelBoy]

I know this is an old thread but some of the posts are making me mad. Heres the truth about what all u guys r sayin:

"less moving parts means more accuracy" - not really more accuracy, it just doesnt kick so u can keep the gun more stabalized.

"max rof is 6bps" - 9bs, and they are making an electro version

"less ball chops" - NO ball chops at all

"no drop forwards" - You can stick a drop forward on them, but you have to have a bottomline kit that can screw into an asa.

"no regulators" - see my above thought. Also, the whole thing is pretty much a big reg!

You guys say you don't like it... What's the one thing that makes a paintball innacurate? Paint in the barrel, chopped ball, velocity spikes; NO chops, and this is a very consistant gun.

I know that this is an old post and I apoligize, but my biggest pet peeve is when somebody says something about this gun thats bad.

[Ityl]

I wanted one before I got my mag, but I couldn't find any prices. So I got my mag then found out it was 700 or something, lil much.

[Nitroduck]

Current boltless guns suck buddies.

Lets take 2 guns Epic and Intimidator

Boltless = no chopping

Anti Chop eye = no chopping

both cocker threading

Epics run at.........what pressure now?

Intimidators run at 220psi, 180 or less with a LP mod


Intimidators come w/ free fade ano and a great 2 piece barrel, Epics come with a $50 CP barrel

Epics - no LCD screen

Ok, that shows that the intimidator is thus far , superior.

Guess what the back breaker is? The timmy can do 50% faster ROF, and can do even more with a new chip. Epics cant do that, they are limited severely.

Hmmm, boltless , or bolt? Get the best you can for the cash....Thats what I did, I own a Mag :)

[joeyjoe367]

Hey we've been workin' with bolt markers for how long? and we've been able to make due, right?

well, as I like to say "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

[Scorch]

Ain't broke.... LOL

We'd still have 10 ball tubes with that thinking.


I spoke to one of team Grizwald last year about the Epic. This was after they used them in tourney in CA. I believe they did pretty well.

They only complaint at that time was about the trigger. Otherwise... a pretty good marker.

Non-bolt markers could be the future... I could envision a rotating (vertical turnstile) breech loader with resistance monitoring as an anti-chop feature. Or maybe utilizing the advanced pneumatics of this imaginary marker, it would load by sucking or pushing the ball into firing position. This has gotten me thinking...

Who knows... It could be fun to build one.

Scorch

[billmi]

Not the wave of the future, the wave of the past.

Presently, there are no boltless paintguns I would describe as "sucessfull" (not in terms of functionality, but in terms of appreciable market share).

Compare this to the late 1980s and the success of the Tippmann SMG-60 and SMG-68, and it would be better to say that boltless was a trend of the past, not the future.

As for the Nova and Epic designs, both shoot well, despite being unconventional, but being that "different" can hamper success in the marketplace.

See you on the field,
-Bill Mills

[AngelBoy]

Crap, now I'm even argueing with Bill Mills, lol

The rof can be changed, theyre making an electro version. You can also get a trigger job.

Anti-chop eyes, more money, more trouble, something else that can break.

[joeyjoe367]

Re: Ain't broke.... LOL

Originally posted by Scorch
We'd still have 10 ball tubes with that thinking.

Well, what I MEANT by that was that Plenty of people are just happy with bolt markers, and are perfectly capable of High rates of fire. Just look @ all the electronic guns out on the market today.

People weren't happy with 10 ball tubes. So they changed it. It was "broken" so to speak :)

[Nitroduck]

If a epic breaks , who's gonna fix it ?

I know the manufacturer probabally says its not gonna break due to low ammount of parts........but then then airstar said the same thing and alot of people have broken novas.

[AngelBoy]

Why don't you fix it yourself? Not like its hard to take apart, I had it memorized once and I don't have one. If a part in it breaks you can probably call up ICE and ask em for another one just like you can almost any gun.

Also, if you are wandering how good it will hold up if you bang it up on the ground, a talked to a guy who had his bead blasted and he took a hammer to his and it didn't scratch it.

[Vegeta]

There are many possibilities for bolt-less systems. There could be a rear-fed jet system, where a warp feed - style system pushes a ball past a series of circular air jets (like in a whirlpool) and out the barrel. cool, yet gas-hoggish (i guess). this would allow for very, very compact guns, much like the size of a minimag, without a PF or feed on top the gun.

Also, i oculd see double tubed blowforwards bases on mags, putting the regulator/on-off valve system on the bottm, bolt on top. this would, if approached correctly, could cut the size of a mag nearly in half.

[AngelBoy]

I never figured out why people don't do like the epics did and put the reg inside the grip frame, it saves a lot of space.