Woman killed by paintball marker tank

[Tyger]

I do know of a story from the "early days" of C/A use of a kid getting his jaw shattered in a similar incident. a 7 ounce tank unscrewed from the valve, shot out of the player's hand, and hit his friend in the jaw.

No new news here, unfortunately. This is why you gotta be CAREFUL when you unscrew your tanks. I've seen CO2 tanks START to unscrew from the valve. Only thing you can do at the field is stop, then get out the wrench. to unscrew it by the valve. Players tend to forget how dangerous our equipment really is.

-Tyger

[Rope a Dope]

I got sick and tired of every message board I go to and read about this story filled with "the hole on the ASA wouldn't prevent this" or people simply having no idea about the bleed holes on valves. So here is a picture of it:



Hopefully you'll understand now.

No the tank didn't need loctite, it needed to be torqued on at the proper foot pound spec to start with, and it may or may not of had a bleed hole on the threads which would have prevented what had happened.

It could be possible that the fitting for the anti-siphon tube plugged the hole from the inside or it could not have had one. Although I have taken A LOT of tanks apart at the shop I use to work at and they ALL had this hole on the valve, new and old.

[CoolHand]

I agree with Rope A Dope on this one.

One need not be a rocket scientist to properly assemble valve/tank combo, just enough common sense realize that you must respect the power contained inside there (gonna be ~800 psi inside the tank when you use it).

That said, there does NOT need to be a law governing how you assemble a damned CO2 tank.

For cying out loud people, why bother living your life if you need a situation by situation run down of what to do and what not to do, provided by the government.

Now don't get me wrong, no little kid deserves to watch his mom get killed, nor did the mom deserve to be killed, but I can guarantee you that more laws are not the answer.

If you want to enact a law (not that we need any more mind you), make it mandatory for every person to understand how something functions, before they can use it/buy it. That would stop so many stupid fatalities in every walk of life.

[Bucky]

I saw the report, and talked to an officer later on who told me he was there. he plays paintball, and he believes that it the problem was from the anti siphon not being put on right. like everyone has said previously, it most likely needed to be locktighted, and wasn't.

[Rope a Dope]

Did you not see the picture above? Did you not read the post on another forum where Glenn Palmer stated that DOT does not recommend loctite?

A Co2 tank should NOT blast off if it is un-screwed from the valve, that what the hole on the threads is for.

Now for the tank un-screwing in the first place, the valve should have been torqued on to spec, not loctited. Every brand new tank that I have anti-siphoned did NOT have any loctite on the threads, it was however, torqued on to spec.

Next person that mentions loctite I'm gonna find them and loctite their *** cheeks together!

[rdb123]

Originally posted by Siress
...I will simplize this for you....take an economics course...

Uhhhh, why would you randomly tell him to take an economics course?

[FutureMagOwner]

coolhand i dont think anyone here was suggesting making a law (that wouldnt make sense anyway in this situation) i think they should make sure that people respect what they are using before they buy it but things being such that probably wont happen

[RingOfScale]

does anyone know, was the woman there playing paintball, or did she just happen to be walking nearby ?

[sneakyhacker420]

Originally posted by nerobro
I think it's time to sue the valve manufacturer.

or whoever installed the anti-siphon

[NoFearPaintballer]

www.pbstar.com they got it there fullcovereage . and people learn form this co2 sucks and watch your reg when unscrewing you tank i dont know ow many times my co2 tank screwedoff and not the reg last year.



*edit* WOOPS i didnt see the pics nor read

[riooso]

I have seen the hole in the valve a ways down the threads. If the dip tube is improperly installed (screwed in to far) it can cover the hole. Whether it is reccommended or not. Most shops put on some kind of sealant and I think it is a good idea!

Riooso

[Beemer]

Good Idea

very tragic... I'm sad and I feel sorry for the kid and his family. R.I.P.

Me too

just curious because its hard to tell are you being condecending/sarcastic to that or saying thats a good idea

Sorry, as in good idea.

Pin valves are supposed to be foolproof.

Not after a faulty mod. Can you say reverse thread?

The real issue here is the lack of information available to new players

Every brand new tank that I have anti-siphoned did NOT have any loctite on the threads, it was however, torqued on to spec.

No the tank didn't need loctite, it needed to be torqued on at the proper foot pound spec to start with,

(God knows we don't need any more warning labels either), but clearly new players need some avenue for education.

Originally posted by Mindflux


Interesting.

Well I installed an anti-syphon on my bottle the other week, I used Blue 252 on it and wrenched the valve back on. People need to use their brain.

And was this wrench a torque wrench of some type?????, and if not you know it was torqued to spec HOW?

Players tend to forget how dangerous our equipment really is.

i dont know ow many times my co2 tank screwedoff and not the reg last year.

And since you are informed and educated you have this fixed so it will not happen any more?

[Evil Bob]

The sad truth is this was easily a preventable accident simply by educating the owner of the marker to the potential problems his equipment may have and the owner paying close attention to what they were doing during disassembly.

Many of us have seen our tanks unscrew from the regs, but we usually go "hey, that isn't supposed to do that" and do the smart thing and screw it back on before something detrimental happens.

Odds are the teen involved was chatting with his friends when he was removing the bottle and simply wasn't paying attention.

-Evil Bob

[Crazy]

did i mentioned she got it good in the face?

[AGD]

The first guy to get hit in the head with an unscrewed tank loaned his gun to his friend who unscrewed it off the reg while the two were walking down the road. The guy got blashed by his own gun.

Lock tight IS NOT suposed to be used on tank threads, they are suposed to be TORQUED on with a special strap wrench. If you take a reg off and put it back on expect to get sued if it hurts someone.

No other industry in the world uses inline threads the way we do because of this very problem. They all use some form of 90 degree fitting. Why we do I will not get into because I have vented enough in other threads today.

The vent hole in the tank threads is a paintball industry inovation not found elsewhere. There is no standard on it so people just drill them where ever. Some were drilled too close to the oring and caused a weak spot and the valve would just break off. Do you have one of those?

Mounting the valve on a gun which is basically a two foot long lever and then diving into a bunker is an overall bad idea. Only ONE regulator on the market has a fail safe shut off if the reg breaks off. Three letters, starts with A, you can guess the rest.

AGD