Glenn Palmer investigates paintball death

[jtoothman25]

About 9000 people die a year from Food Poisoning... Lets ban food.

[trains are bad]

About 9000 people die a year from Food Poisoning... Lets ban food.

I like your logic, but logic doesn't matter. For an example, look how popular gun control is.

[jtoothman25]

totally. If this incident gets momentum, we could lose our paintball "markers" We all need to be a lot better with everything for awhile, so we dont get that momentum. This means, if you see someone, or hear of someone shooting signs, or houses... Just smack them. Dont make them bleed or anything, but get them real close to blood. We want our sport to stay alive, so lets be good guys.

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

food

Not an entirely bad analogy using food though it's a neccessity and PBall isn't, and here's where my point comes in: Food is fine, but if restaurants use poor preparation including health violations, they can be fined, put out of business, and, if what they did is grossly negligent (think clam chowder in Fight Club) charged criminally. Nothing grossly negligent happened here, but it is still a case of negligence and both the player who was teching the gear without permission and the field who provided gear that could pose a safety risk could be held liable very easily.

Did you know even if you have a sign saying "wet floor" in a supermarket, if someone slips because they were still able to be exposed to the area, like walk past the sign still, they are entitled to win a civil suit? Legal Studies in college related to business administration, it's all legit.

[cledford]

Glen Palmer stated in a different thread the loc-tite IS NOT REQUIRED on threads - it is suggested but the proper torque value is what is REQUIRED.

-Calvin

[Rope a Dope]

Originally posted by cledford
Glen Palmer stated in a different thread the loc-tite IS NOT REQUIRED on threads - it is suggested but the proper torque value is what is REQUIRED.

-Calvin

Tom Kaye said the same thing.

This was said about Co2 tanks.

I'll believe the two of them plus what the DOT manual says before any of you, no offense, lol

[Doobie]

He was a walk-on who owned his own equipment

Some of you guys missed this part in the first thread. No one was working on rental gear.

[Kevmaster]

Originally posted by Rope a Dope


Tom Kaye said the same thing.

This was said about Co2 tanks.

I'll believe the two of them plus what the DOT manual says before any of you, no offense, lol

rope,

I'm looking at my notes from my PTI (Paintball Training Insitute) classes. It is telling me to loctite all screw in bottles. Why? When they get stuck and people start unscrewing them, they can start unscrewing the bottle without knowing it. 25 ft-lbs of torque (what you are supposed to use, also told to me by PTI) is easy to overcome when you stick the marker inbetween your legs and start tugging on the bottle.

if there is accuracy in what tom says...which im not totally sure of...then there is a HUGE problem in the paintball industry. as EVERY tank comes now from the manu loctited. Its just how they do it.

[tribalman]

Originally posted by gtrsi
here is what you guys are missing

These kids were tech'ing RENTALS! its not like they were working on thier own guns. Renters should never take the rental gear apart, that service is part of the rental fee they pay when walking in the door!

dude, did u read the first post.

Apparently the boy who's tank malfunctioned was not associated with the birthday party and the family does not know him. He was a walk-on who owned his own equipment and was 15 or 16.

i've noticed at some fields around me they don't check dates or give the tank any inspection other than a very brief look at. this kinda thing needs full sport support. please look at ur tank. if u see a new person playing with rental equipment, tell them to stop. if u don't know what ur doing, ask a tech. also, i don't know if any1 else does this but if i buy a tank ofline from a company other than the maker or a person, i send the tank in for testing. i'd rather not risk it. please every1 try and be responsible. ever1 keeps saying "oh now pball is going to have a bad rep" WE ARE THE ONES WHO GIVE IT A GOOD REP! if we show that we are responsible with our own gear and keeping everything good conditions with the proper rules, regulations, and controls pball will get rid of it's "bad rep".

[hitech]

Originally posted by Kevmaster
I'm looking at my notes from my PTI (Paintball Training Insitute) classes. It is telling me to loctite all screw in bottles. Why? When they get stuck and people start unscrewing them, they can start unscrewing the bottle without knowing it. 25 ft-lbs of torque (what you are supposed to use, also told to me by PTI) is easy to overcome when you stick the marker inbetween your legs and start tugging on the bottle.

The reason you are not supposed to use loctite is because it can damage the threads in the bottle when the valve is removed. The paintball industry wants the valves loctited to avoid the bottle unscrewing from the valve.

[GT]

Originally posted by tribalman

dude, did u read the first post.

I have but everyone single account I have read except this one had said that the tank had struck the victim was from a rental..

[Dubstar112]

Loctite on tank threads? My grandparents have owned a scuba shop for over 40 years(since early 60's). Ask my gramps what he thinks about loctite. I could quote it but then Id get banned.. to say the least he thinks "its stupid".

I wholeheartedly agree: If you dont have the right tools you shouldnt even think about it.

[ASDadam]

And that proves to all you morons who called me stupid for saying you don't need Loctite on your Tank Reg, and there Tom and Glenn Palmer agree with me.

[Kevmaster]

Originally posted by Dubstar112
Loctite on tank threads? My grandparents have owned a scuba shop for over 40 years(since early 60's). Ask my gramps what he thinks about loctite. I could quote it but then Id get banned.. to say the least he thinks "its stupid".

I wholeheartedly agree: If you dont have the right tools you shouldnt even think about it.

theres a huge difference in scuba tanks and Co2 tanks.
1) co2 tanks hold 800psi or so, scuba, over 2000. The force holding the valve on is much greater

2) a scuba tank is not screwed into anything as a co2 tank is screwed into the asa. if its really in there (as it often is) you have to use a lot of force on the bottle to get it out. If its not loctited, it is VERY easy to begin to unscrwe the bottle from the valve, rather than the bottle and valve from the asa

I think there needs to be some MAJOR consensus from the industry on this. I don't claim to the the prophet of Co2 tanks, BUT i have been taught by the supposed industry leaders and the ones who supposedly know the most. Tim Arnold, Bob McGuire and Budd Orr are three of the smartest paintball guys you'll meet. They know their ****, theres no two ways around it. Tom also is in that league. The fact that they differ is what scares me.

[Kevmaster]

Originally posted by hitech
The reason you are not supposed to use loctite is because it can damage the threads in the bottle when the valve is removed. The paintball industry wants the valves loctited to avoid the bottle unscrewing from the valve.

I know it can damage the threads, but how often is a tank reg removed? Rarely. And if you use blue loctite, it shouldn't damage the threads at all