Tactical Automag prototype thread. Please help.

[famousgamer]

Hey look. Its the quietest marker in the world. Unfortunatley it is also illegal in the US. The good news is that I am in Canada.

The sediment filter silencer, supposedly, requires no housing. The filter, placed over the end of the barrel, is supposed to suppress most of the "crack" noise from firing. Sediment filters are also really cheap, ranging from 3 to 10 dollars.

The marker looks pretty deadly, and it would be pretty tricky to get everything really straight. If it did work tho, it would sweetness.

EDIT: actually, this marker would need a sight riser. If one were to aim high for a long shot, the barrel would start to get in the way, as was mentioned earlier.

[FinchMan]

heh heh, you could used a lapco machine gun shroud.

[famousgamer]

Yeah. then one could also say its just a lapco machine gun shroud!

Well, a lapco machine gun shroud, AND a filter to make sure that no rust or water contaminants make it into the marker barrel. Yeah.. thats it.

[famousgamer]

I leant Borph my gun and he hasnt given it back yet.

Anywho, here is a scale representaion of someone holding a marker design. I can already see that I need that stock length to be adjustable. That sight might also need a riser. Interesting that I am now going back and raising the profile. Ironic.

Borph. Gimme my marker back now.

[Gatorade]

Here's my favorite stock - worthy of a look in my opinion. It mounts to the bottomline, and can be turned rightside up or upside down (I prefer it in the confirmation shown):

They also make them in adjustable lengths:


Kind of eliminates the need for an adapter. Only problem is it's not an air-thru, but that can be solved by mounting some fittings and macroline to it.

In my opinion, if you're going to use the tank on the gun, you don't need a stock. Just brace the tank on your shoulder. You only need a stock when running remote.

[egb groupie]

Hey look. Its the quietest marker in the world. Unfortunatley it is also illegal in the US. The good news is that I am in Canada.

Suppressors are not entirely banned in the US, approx. 35 states allow them, as long as you pay he proper taxes and fill out the proper forms.

I would expect for suppressors to be highly illegal in Canada, considering the draconian gun laws that have been enacted there...

[borph]

sorry I'm so longwinded

As far as a Q specific marker, I dont know what other marker would be more Q specific. I will see if the folks at Q dig it. A Q specific marker has to be the Automag. It is simply the best choice for a marker platform, bar none.

I agree wholeheartedly, and strongly believe a project like this could breathe new life into AGD, even if it meant teaming up with a competitor. No marker can outshoot the Automag, and no loader can outfeed the Q. This marriage just makes sense.

Sweet. As an afterthought I was thinking that making a new grip would probably throw off intelliframe users. Some people would not want to go back to a single trigger. It would be nice to appeal to the broadest range possible.

Bear in mind also that AGD's carbon fiber grip frame is angled slightly more acutely backward than most .45 grips out there. You'd want to make something that'd work equally well with any grip.

Now, the only issue with this is the foregrip. The Q loader cant be mounted to it, as it is removable.

There are two parts to the foregrip, the foregrip itself

http://store.airgun.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&productID=436&categoryID=91

and the vertical ASA adapter

http://store.airgun.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&productID=87&categoryID=16

It'd be easiest to mount the qloader to the vertical adapter using the hardware the comes with it, but then you couldn't use the gas-thru feature of the grip. There is a 90 degree mount in the Q's CMS upgrade kit which could sandwich between the vert ASA and body rail if you had a 1/8" longer screw, but that might not allow enough clearance to screw in the foregrip. The only way to overcome that is to bend the straight adapter at the right length to go there (could be difficult), or else mount their 90 degree onto the barrel instead (caca). Could mounting the Q to the stock be an option?

http://www.qloader.com/images/aic_pic_players_26.jpg

Lots of great pics in their players' gallery

I still dont know if the RT rail can be mounted from. Either way, anyone could buy a classic rail, as they are fairly cheap.

You'd ruin an original RT rail by drilling holes, as it is gas-thru.<br><img src="http://store.airgun.com/images/product/large/lg_442.jpg"><br>However, ULE and Pro rails are not.

By not going air thru, what advantages do we have?

- You could shoot with either hand, and snapshoot if the stock rested and pivoted on the chest (like speedballers do with just the bottle as a stock).

-The weight of the tank would also balance out the weight of the Q Loader when it is full of paint, making the trigger frame the balance point.

- There would be no hose to snag.

- dont need to buy a remote line, or a vest or pouch to carry the bottle in.

Cuz really, the stock is kinda exactly where the tank is anyways on most of the drawings. It is fairly optimal placement, and I am not sure if it really needs to be replaced by going remote? Maybe remote is the bomb and it will be way better than a bottle on the marker? I personally have no experience with going remote, so I am not the expert here by far. Any input here would be killer.

By requiring the 12oz CO2 mounted on the bottomline, you're limiting this upgrade to those who run a Classic valve since ReTro and Xvalve operate only with compressed air or nitrogen. Another thing under rapid fire, your valve WILL FREEZE UP. This is the biggest annoyance by far with CO2, and it is SO WORTH the extra dough not having to worry about shooting too fast! I ran CO2 on-gun for a long time. After purchasing a Flatline 3000, I modified the design of AGD's drop-forward and came up with a longer "raise-rearward" which put the tank in a stock like position for more comfortable shouldering. I used this setup 'til I found my gas-thru stock and back bottle adapter. Scored an old gas mask bag from the Army/Navy surplus store for $20 which fit the 68ci tank and two reload pods perfectly, so I stuck with it ever since. Running remote saves SO much weight, my arm NEVER gets tired from carrying it anymore. The coiled hose stays close enough to my body it's never snagged on anything.

It all depends on your personal preference and style of play. Try both and see what works best for you.

actually, this marker would need a sight riser. If one were to aim high for a long shot, the barrel would start to get in the way, as was mentioned earlier.

If you have to aim THAT high for a long shot, you should get closer before giving away your position. Chances are your paintball will have decelerated enough to bounce off rather than break on target.

I leant Borph my gun and he hasnt given it back yet.

Anywho, here is a scale representaion of someone holding a marker design. I can already see that I need that stock length to be adjustable. That sight might also need a riser. Interesting that I am now going back and raising the profile. Ironic.

Borph. Gimme my marker back now.

Haha, I'm holding it for ransom! I REALLY like your stock design in that picture much more than previous ones. Good for righties or lefties, and making the length adjustable would be perfect! The ability to rotate the butt would be nice too. Mine is about 20 degrees to the left so it makes a good fit between the shoulder and pectoral muscles.

[famousgamer]

Ugh. Freezing valves! Hmmm, i think I may want to go gas thru/compressed air after all.

I suppose it really wouldnt be a genuine AGD is is was'nt on Air, as certain upgrades and markers simply dont work with Co2, making it a real hinderance to many players. Good points Borph. If we were going back to gas thru, then we would be going back to easy-to-mill stock adapters, or bottomline mounted stocks like the ones Gatorade pointed out.

AT least we can drill into the classic and ULE rails. That is good news. To bad about the gas thru RT rail. If an RT custom owner had to buy a simple rail to facilitate the stock adapter/shrouds, I wouldnt mind so much. Fairly cheap upgrade.

If we are using an air thru stock in the end, it wouldnt matter so much if we could use the air thru feature of the foregrip, by mounting the Qloader to it. I do like the fact that the grip part would be removable. That would give the marker a very rifle like feel when wanted.

I kind of look at it this way. The marker either 1: has a retractable stock and foregrip combo option for getting in tight when needed, or 2: is a small compact rifle-like configuration. In woodsball do we really need that get-in0tight aspect? Should we be focusing on a more carbine type weapon? If so, we could loose the foregrip alltogether and move the Q loader housing as close to the triggerframe as possible.

[Severe]

Just a quick heads up. Only the original RT's that use the Banjo-bolt have internal gas lines. The RT Pro, and newer rails should be fine.

[famousgamer]

Are you sure? If that is the case, I would get a ULE custom and drill thru the rail for the stock adapter. the ULE warp right body would be perfect with the Q Loader, and as a starting point for the woods project marker.

The reason I am so interested is because I am buying my first AGD marker soon to start this woods project, and am torn between upgrading a classic, or getting a fairly stock ULE custom. The rail drilling thing is really the clincher. If I could drill in that rail, Id get the ULE custom.

[ThePixelGuru]

Good ideas, guys, there's a lot of great looking and comfortable setups here. The biggest problem that I see with the way you're going about designing these is that you're doing it all in a vacuum. What I mean is that while you guys are coming up with some great designs and they look great with someone standing there aiming the marker around, you've got to consider where they'll be used and how they'll work for that setting. Longer, flatter markers/guns are great for long-range engagements and crawling through bush, and short, tall setups excel at close-range combat with tight bunkers. ...Or did you guys already consider all of that in your designs and just not mention it here?

Keep it up, though, that's some badass gear.

[famousgamer]

Here is a Borphed/MoeMaged automag shroud. Its a long marker, but should be as balanced as Borphs in the lower part of the picture. The frame/shroud could even be skeletonized to provide perfect balance with a full hopper of paint on board.

This configuration wins the balance game, hands down. Its profile is also quite low, dispite the Q on the bottom. The marker setup I did was with a warp left frame. Prolly ULE. This lowers the top, so one could simply use a mag sight rail. A riser could be used if on a Tac One, or vert feed ULE body, etc. and would be fed to the top like on borphs.

This would have to be redesigned for intelliframe users, but not by much I dont think.

Milling this thing would be a cinch, as it is pretty much 2D milling for the most part. The thing would have to be milled of metal, not cast in resin. I could make resin foregrips tho.

What are the thoughts on this config?

[famousgamer]

EDIT: here is one with a rifle foregrip beyond the vert foregrip

[NXD 5150]

WOW theres alot of great ideas in here! Its hard to pick a favorite.

[paintball_fiend]

i really love famous last ones simple and cool i would buy it if it werent too expensive and made out of aluminum so it wouldnt wiegh a ton