Tactical Automag prototype thread. Please help.

[LONEWOLFOO1]

Hello people it been a couple of days.


since then i saw this its a riser that would be used to put the scope up i know some guys prefer to have a lower profile but these are for the longbow users that don't want to change the placement of their stock



here is a link to their product

http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.322764/sc.22/category.1434/it.A/id.3576/.f

http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.322764/sc.22/category.66/it.A/id.2722/.f

this link is for all you future q loader users its a dump bag so you can throw them into the bag while you are on the field here is the link

http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.322764/sc.22/category.1434/it.A/id.3231/.f

[Severe]

The problem with SpecOps parts and accessories is they are outrageously priced.

You can get similar and sometimes identical hardware from the airsoft community for MUCH less. That is after all where a significant portion of OpsGear and SpecOps accessories are taken from.

Check out www.redwolfairsoft.com for an amazing array of scope mounts and such. Many of which could have applications with the mods discussed in this thread.

[famousgamer]

since then i saw this its a riser that would be used to put the scope up i know some guys prefer to have a lower profile but these are for the longbow users that don't want to change the placement of their stock

That riser actually looks pretty good, and it looks like he had enough mask clearance without pulling a yoga head.

I am making alot of yoga references because my girlfriends sister keeps talking about it, and how much yoga hurts. I am still tyring to figure out why she is still going.

The problem with SpecOps parts and accessories is they are outrageously priced.

I personally hate Spec Ops system of pricing things. The exact types of labor and materials go into airsoft parts, as was mentioned, but somehow when it gets fixed to a paintball gun it becomes ten times more expensive?! It upsets me, and it enforces a sort of elitist quality to the Spec Ops stuff, which I find useless and negative. This coupled with the fact that Spec Ops stuff doesnt always perform due to poor design.

Having said that, Spec Ops stuff is still pretty cool. Eye candy galore.

If that Borph type frame was made, it would be just as easy to make the stock attached to the frame, and not use the Spec Ops stock. I dont think a variety of stocks would look good on that frame anyways, so I wouldnt mind loosing the customizability. If a stock were designed and milled from the same peice of aluminium, it would be 1: cheaper and 2: easier, and perhaps even 3: look better. We could just fix the stock asa to the rear of the stock, and viola... instant air thru for a fraction of the cost.

We might then have some money left over for paint!

Ill try fixin a stock to the body.

Ugh, just thought: It would be like perma-stock, even when you wouldnt want one. The ultimate would be a folding stock, that tucks away in a good spot. I wonder what is involved with creating a folding stock? The turning/locking mechanism, etc.

[famousgamer]

For more perma-stock frames, check this out.



The bottom two have a larger profile from top to bottom, but less mass. This may be a better configuration if we require more mask clearance, as those two designs at the bottom got clearance for days!

They are based on the MK1 Carbine



If you like the carbine, this could be the configuration for you?

[mobsterboy]

I noticed this thread, and it peaked my interest, I'm new but I do have some input. It seems that your going with, or leaning to a Warp feed, and some kind of Railing for a Reflexive Scope. But this clearance thing is raining on your parade, for some ideas, I'm into airsoft and paintball, but they have elevated Scope Rails maybe you could use.

For Copy Right purposes they won't allow me to provide a direct link but.
http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Category go under where it has listed AEG/AEP, scroll down to "Accessories", and then on the other browser to the immediate right , go to "Scope Rail & Mounts" I have an G&G GR16, possibly a CA M15A4 soon, I was thinking about attaching a ACOG to the top of my S.I.R. and I realized I still want to use my Iron sight, so I'd have to get an elevated Scope Rail, to still be able to use my Iron sights, and use the Scope, because I took off the Carrying Handle.

P.S. I'm probably going to get a TAC-ONE Soon, it's a great weapon, and similar to my M4 in specs, the Selective Interface RAIL system I have on the foregrip, etc.

EDIT: If this does help you, I have hundres (literally) links to para-military and military sites, I can help you track down something to mount on the common 20mm accessory rail which appears to be the dimension you'll be using.

and anyone cares? you are gay, get used to it
no really tho, he's onto something. That would solve your sight problems

[famousgamer]

and anyone cares? you are gay, get used to it

Whats is the point of even saying this? We were having a mature conversation. Do you mind?

[paintball_fiend]

Hey look. Its the quietest marker in the world. Unfortunatley it is also illegal in the US. The good news is that I am in Canada.

The sediment filter silencer, supposedly, requires no housing. The filter, placed over the end of the barrel, is supposed to suppress most of the "crack" noise from firing. Sediment filters are also really cheap, ranging from 3 to 10 dollars.

The marker looks pretty deadly, and it would be pretty tricky to get everything really straight. If it did work tho, it would sweetness.

EDIT: actually, this marker would need a sight riser. If one were to aim high for a long shot, the barrel would start to get in the way, as was mentioned earlier.

this seems kinda old school and cool have you ever tried the sediment filter before does it work
i was thiking sliding it over a long all american barrel porting would be cool

[famousgamer]

To be honest, I have never tried it. I did some hardcore research tho. Some people who have tried them say they are the best, and there is no need to try anything else.

The middle of the filter is hard, and has lots of holes just like a regular silencer. In fact, it is exactly the same except is is not totally enclosed. Supposedly it is actually louder once you put a cover on it.

At the price of a filter (3 to 10 dollars) you could experiment and see the results for really cheap.

The mag makes little noise other than the pop from the barrel when it fires. I really do think that this would be one of the most quiet paintball markers out there is the silencer works.

EDIT, and oh yeah, sliding the filter over the porting will not quiet the marker. You have to have it hanging out from the tip of the barrel. About 75 percent of the filter should be suspended after the tip of your barrel ends. This is to dampen the explosion of air leaving the tight confines of the barrel. It will not work over the porting holes as they do not allow much noise to escape.

To get the filter tight to the barrel, just wrap electrical tape in two spots where the filter meets the barrel. If the tape is the right thickness after several wraps, the friction fit should be perfect.

[paintball_fiend]

found these on pbreview


i know it is not an mag but meh

http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=326849

[Barjack420]

Ive been following the discussion for some time, there are some really good design ideas in here.

But, Im concerned about the uses of the scope/optics in an actual game....

Alot of the sights and scopes ive seen on these prototypes/examples look to be fairly pricey. And i would think one hit would either crack the lense, or render the lense useless for the rest of the day. Requiring hours of meticulous cleaning to clean the lense and the inner workings of the sight.

All the effort put into mounting the optics on the gun and make it workable while wearing a mask just doesnt seem worth it to me.

Also the reality of paintball is that no gun can shoot consistantly/accuratly enough to justify a telescopic sight with crosshairs. So im assuming most ppl would use the optics for surveying the CA or target identification from afar.

In that by the time your target gets into close enough range, so that the shots would hit where your sight is indicating, you wouldnt want to use the sight as if would limit how much you could see around you. Succuming to tunnel vision in other words.


Ive played pb for aboot 12 yrs now, (8 of which has been in speedball), but the my first 4 years were playing pump games in the woods, ghillie suits and all. But we never saw the need for a scope or anything.


The stock designs on this post look really good, and especially the mounting options you guys have designed for the qloaders. Some of which im going to try out for my PTp RT.

But Im interested to hear how/when you intend to put the optics to during a game.

[LONEWOLFOO1]

i use a red dot sight with no magnafacation i just use as a reference target for my longball shots. real scopes have nopurpose just for looking ahead thin would just carry binoculars which are cheaper.

[dIVEANX]

Well (this is only my opinion) The sites are HOLO or Red Dot sites and more used for fast target aquistion and not used as a scope.

This was kind of the idea behind this type of design. In theory, if you can aquire your target faster and are able to pull the trigger sooner (not relying on accuracy by volume) then you can effectly hit your target easier, faster and with less paint.

Now this maybe be for some people and maybe not work for others. Its all a personal preference.

My TacOne leaves on its jouney to be transformed by UMS tomorrow. I will keep you guys up to date with pictures as I get them from Britt.

We both have looked at the dsign ideas in this thread and incorped our own and think we are coming up with a very user friendly design.

[ThePixelGuru]

That's hot, and seems to be very doable. Have you considered the option of an ASA in place of the stock for those that want to keep air on-gun while mantaining the same profile? That would be tight. Anyone know how long that SpecOps stock is for reference?

[famousgamer]

Yeah, no scopes for aiming anyways. Im pretty sure most people just include them to look for bad guys anyways. Red Dots make some pretty quick target aquisition however. Even a red dot is not bang on all the time, due to paintballs being what they are, but its a pretty great starting point for marking someone.

[famousgamer]

Maybe a little more erganomic than the one I did earlier.

I am kinda leaning towards going remote, as this marker above would provide perfect balance, and you wouldnt really feel any of that weight from the paint in the Q Loader. With the tank on, the Q Loader should be under the barrel. This would balance out the marker, and would really be an entirley different design. That design would be cool as well, but I am going to try to perfect the remote design first I think.