Tactical Automag prototype thread. Please help.

[Coralis]

One good reason for a red dot to is that these are probably going to be scenario game markers , which will include night play. Red dots at night can make a huge difference. The last picture is pretty sweet but then you loose a place to mount a tac light should you want to because the part under the barrel is no longer parallel to the barrel.

[dIVEANX]

What do you think of this one?

[Pale Rider]

Stock

Gentelmen,
I am new here but not to PB. I have enjoyed reading the thread, Reps to dIVEANX for bringing me here from the UMS site.

I purchase my Tac one for the purpose of turning it in to the Q-bow. I too agree the long bow is to skimpy on paint. You have given me cause to look hard at the Q-bow stock.

I live near the special opps show room and factory, I am lucky enough to be a beta tester for them. The Dog leg stock on an A-5 is flat out the best stock I have ever used. I hope they make one for the Q-bow. Form my own personal expeince I can say that every thing I have tested is top shelf. It's my job to beat the hell out of their stuff and I do Now I don't get to test every thing. I have A-5's 98's and now tac one. I do agree that their stuff is pricy, but how many companies have we seen come and go because they could'nt make it in PB???? Didn't have the $$$ to make it.

again thanks for the read

PR

[famousgamer]

I go back and forth on how I personally feel about Spec Ops.

I am pretty sure that they could deliver a peice of bent aluminum with a little hosing and hardware on it (the dogleg stock) for less than 100 dollars. In my limited experience with millwork I could turn out at least 50 of those in an eight hour shift I would wager. People are getting gouged.

One thing I am an expert in is plastic injection molding, as it relates to wargame miniature production (my job). Those plastic stocks that Spec Ops sells for 100 a pop cost about 2 dollars in materials, maybe 5 more in labor and maximum 10 dollars for manufacturing.

Think about it. You can buy a brand new automag with a barrel included for the price of buying a Spec Ops kit to turn an ADG marker into a Longbow ( http://www.specialopspaintball.com/s...SEARCH=LONGBOW ). That seems very wrong. Think about the materials and time and engineering it takes to create an AGD marker, and then the simple hoses and milling that make up the Longbow shroud and parts.

Actually, I find Spec Ops no more noble than any other Mil Sim type paintball retailer. They have a forum. They have some flash animations. Its all gimmicks. You know what gimmick I like? Quality merged with low prices. Its no wonder why I like AGD so much. When AGD can sell an entire paintball marker for the same price that Spec Ops sells a Stock and a bit of hardware it is clear who is doing a greater service to the world of paintball.

and yes, Ill make that front section of that marker shroud flat again, with the barrel. Once a picatinny is there, flasklights and the such will become of use again.

The marker looks good dIVEANX. It is expensive, but if you can make it without breakin the bank you are gonna rip out there. Yer on my team!

[famousgamer]

Oh yeah... check this out for best of both worlds type action...

Okay, airsoft is cheaper than paintball, and delivers the same stuff, if not more variety of things. How about making the marker shroud a transfer point from paintball to the cheaper airsoft parts? Check it out...

The AGD shroud becomes a core of sorts. Then one can attach airsoft parts onto that core however they like. This will make the marker adaptable, and inexpensive. Full on rails, sight, thingies, rear view mirrors, etc. Way to stick it to the man!

So, a few things...

Need to find the best sort of airsoft gear, for the lowest prices to know what kinda stuff is gonna fit onto the core. I looked around, and alot of airsoft is expensive when it is metal, but cheap when it is plastic. I dont mind plastic, as so many paintball stocks are already plastic, but I wanna find the ones that are half the price as spec ops.

We then need to find out how they are attached. I am sure its pretty basic, but some kind of knowledge of how certan parts are attached would be helpful.

Some things we can research are...

EDIT: You know, that airsoft stuff is pretty damn pricey still! I am not sure if it is much less expensive! Maybe I am looking in the wrong spots.



This gives the automag Special Ops customizability times ten, and Airsoft prices.

So, any links, research or experience yawl can handle would really help. Thanks guys.

[famousgamer]

Even worse, some manufacturers glue a Tippmann A-5 end cap onto a stock that was hacked off a cheap airsoft gun. We hate to criticize product, but this is a truly horrible design

from http://www.specialopspaintball.com/a...buttstocks.asp

Hehe. Glue? Spec Ops is telling me not to do it.

I better do it.

[paintball_fiend]

yah scopes are just for looks but i have used red dots to good effect before
i have an emag so makeing wond of these for it would be cool kinda mix a couple together





it could be as simple as getting the folding stock, warp feed body, and mounting adapter that would probably be the cheapest but it would be cool to see what you guys could come up with for the emag



having the qloader under the grip is an awsome idea that way you have to have such a long gun you could put a short barrel if you wanted and call it your emag p90

[famousgamer]

Okay, I know the airsoft is "cheap" plastic, but is it really that less durable than the Spec Ops plastic? That tiny little handguard from Spec Ops costs as much as that whole WORKING airsoft gun! I know that all those Spec Ops parts are plastic, but does the price really justify their being metal?

I own a Dremel. I could turn that front section of the airsoft into a handguard, with build in pic rails for free. I guess then you get a stock for free too. Why not just stick an agd marker inside that airsoft frame? Instant rails, stock, etc, for 30 BUCKS?!

I know, its crazy. As crazy as that moon landing footage. It just might work tho. I am not even that into milsim. I just want a tactical marker without spending all my hard earned money. If it turns out that airsoft plastic is as good as Spec Ops plastic, it might just be crazy enough to work.

For 30 bucks, Ill give it a shot. Id prolly loose the clip tho and make some room for a foregrip.

[famousgamer]

having the qloader under the grip is an awsome idea that way you have to have such a long gun you could put a short barrel if you wanted and call it your emag p90

Id love to feel the weight of the paint taken right off the marker by having the pod centered like that. Soooo nice I bet.

[paintball_fiend]

the airsoft thing is what most of the milsim salers do then they charge 600+ for their stuff

[dIVEANX]

Hey Famous. I already have the marker (thanks to A Tach One on this site) Im not sure if you are familar with Britt from the Underground Mod Shop.

He has done mostly A5 and 98 mods until now. I approached him after I tried to get just the stock, shroud and mag wells for my TacOne from Spec Ops and they will not sell it that way.

I am even on one their only 4 sponsored teams and they wouldnt do it. The only way I was offered a chance to get them was if I shared my scenario cocker ideas with them and Frankly that isnt going to happen now.

But then I was turned onto this thread and you guys have alot of valid points that have been over looked in the making of the Longbow.

I talked with Rory just after they built the Longbow and understood the reasoning behind it and while holding it with no mask it on it was awesome but once you put that mask on its a whole different story.

Its hard for me to say anything bad about Spec Ops because they have done alot for our team Espeically Robert (Cops911) Robert has been a primary sponsor for our team for a long time and we will stand behind him no matter what.

I have my personal opinions but I chose to keep them to myself because I dont want anything I say to effect my team.

But the plastic issue I have to comment on. My team captain has an Ops Gear G36 kit he has had since it came out (pre Spec Ops sponsorship) and this weekend he got shot in the stock and it broke. Now can you image if a paintball can break that plastic like that what it would have done if it had hit is body OMG.

Anyway after seeing that I dont think I would ever own a plastic anything on a marker. I mean it did enough damage that it would be very easy to break the rest of the stock off diving for cover and then the possiblity of jabbing it into yourself is very high.

I think I will stick to paying alittle more for stamped or machined aluminum for I feel that for safety and wear sake it is the best option. Sure you give up some weight but in the long run it will be alot better, just eat your Wheaties LOL

[paintball_fiend]

here are some examples of the airsoft thing....they over charge to the extreme

[famousgamer]

Lets just say I have gotten a hold of some airsoft gun bodies, without the internals. The are CHEAP, and super high quality.

Im not talking the low end plastic things either. I am talking fiberglass bodies, aluminum and super tough ABS high end plastic.

Since I dont need to pay for any airsoft internals, it makes the guns so cheap. Even last night alone I got three emails from people wanting to sell me their damaged and broken airsoft guns, with no exterior damage done to them at all. They look brand new.

They are so cheap I cant even begin to discribe how much we are being ripped off in the paintball community. Gouging is this game sucks, but I may have found a solution.

Granted, I will have to mod the airsoft bodies to fit the paintball marker, and that may not be easy. The good news is my time is free. Buying all those upgrades from Spec Ops is the equivilent of a weeks wages for most people. I bet modding a marker and airsoft frame would not take me longer than two evenings tops.

I am still interested in the original idea, but this opportunity provides kinda a cheap and super effective bandage until we can find a millable design. Honestly tho, I dont know how we are gonna get a front grip, main body, retractable stock and tonnes of picatinny rails for the same price as an airsoft body.

[famousgamer]

You know, seriously tho, if those airsoft type automag markers shown above were a even a hundred dollars cheaper, they would slay over a Longbow. Qbow's value all the sudden becomes debatable at 900 dollars a pop.

[paintball_fiend]

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