Tactical Automag prototype thread. Please help.

[LONEWOLFOO1]

btw here is what i want this is my prefrence famousgamer i didn't want the slant this is how i want my longbow.

the following pics is what i was thinking of doing i am going for a q loader setup but i am using the warp adapter and haveing it to the side thats for another thread famousgamer can you start a thread called placement of q loader

the bottom pic is of all the stuff i bought to get this thing going tools parts case home depot parts measuring tape

[LONEWOLFOO1]

Since i am home today fildling aroundwith my longbow i found some old automag parts and look at what i found



i call it the end all solution to my longbow sighting shrug neck problem with a total i repeat total of 5 inches from the shroud to the top of the red dot sight. a total of 3 inches from the bottom of the red dot sight to the longbow frame. so its a total of 3 inches that can be manipluted between the sight and the frame so half of that is 1.5 inches varient which could be done with the lowering of the stock. think about that

[famousgamer]

Sweet. Is there any way to weld them together, or use rods on either side welded in for support? I bet Silentmike or Doc could weld that in 5 seconds and youd have a great stock mounting bracket. Thanks for all the pics, measurements and info LONEWOLF.

I personally think that Longbow looks excellent with the lower stock and that feirce warp feed! 200 rounds at the ready, flung with a lvl 10 and x valve. Wicked!

[famousgamer]

Whoa... check this out.

I was pretty interested in your findings LONEWOLF, and wanted to see if your stock placement and raised red dot spot were similar to my design... and it is almost exactly the same! See for yourself..



The buttplate and the sight line are almost exactly the same. The mask clearance area is almost the same as well. The only difference is where the grips are, the barrel location, and the ground clearance.

The lower photoshopped Longbow is with a warp body. See how that warp body and that new stock solve every comfort issuse (besides adjustability). If the stock was adjustable, that would be the package. That lower drawing is the same tac one, but with way more comfort and a much lower profile. In conjunction with the Q loader, warp feed, and even the mag clip system it would simply be better to go with warp.

Now, if the Tac rails are not even really being utilized on the Longbow, why is it a Tac One body? Why not a ULE warp body? Hopefully someone catches on and produces this rifle mag... and hopefully the Q gets fit under the stock. I have a pretty strong feeling that this could be the format that would take the sniper marker into the next generation.

[LONEWOLFOO1]

i was looking around on the spec ops forums and their is a guy holding a longbow and guess what his head is bent just in case you guy thought my pics where off

[famousgamer]

I just had my 68 ci tank mounted in my back bottle adapter, and the 140 pod taped to the bottom of the tank. It actually worked pretty well. I was suprosed.

I am just kinda bummed about the weight on the back of the marker tho as that tank is perdy big. With the rhino tank cover on tho it shoulders up really nice tho.

After a little aluminum rod bending you could make a nice bracket for the Q under the tank, and that would be a very tight setup for sure. Ill take pics as soon as I can, for any prospective tank-on players.

[famousgamer]

yeah, that head is hella bent. Simply would not want to play paintball like that all day. What we dont see is that his head is flush to the top bar of the stock, and allows for no extra head mobility.

I strongly dislike "stock weld" when my stock is welded to a mask and the marker has little to no recoil to require a weld in the first place. Paintball stocks and rifle stocks just require two different sets of shapes and attributes.

That Longbow looks killer tho. That camo is sweet! The ironic thing is that that camo would have hardly any effect, as there are so many black pits and hard outline shapes to the Longbow in the first place, and its big. You would need a rag to breakup that shape and black pits, because the human eye would pick that thing up in a glance.

[paintball_fiend]

famous an idea for your remote line on the t stock

that way the remote ends under your arm and is more confortible
i know the padding is getto but i wanted the stock to be wider

[famousgamer]

The remote line ending under the arm is much better, I agree. Thats one of the things I dislike about this gas thru t stock... the nipple is close to the marker. The good news is that if for any reason you were laying down and the marker was right down on the ground, the nipple wouldnt hit the ground on the t stock. Id still rather have it like yours tho feind.

You could actually add a macro line from the nipple to the buttplate. Now that would be nice! I am gonna look into that.



Okay, so I was trying to decide how to sculpt my marker when it hit me...

I was watching Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex and thought "Those guns rock!". They really do. Masamune Shirow is a genius, and his tech is simply amazing. Not only are his designs excellent to look at, but they are comfy to boot!

I tried to figure how to impliment my fave Seburo weapon design into my own marker concept, and this is what I came up with...



I call it the Pragmata, and I am seriously leaning towards using this design. I call it the Pragmata because the design is quite simply pragmatic.

1. Dealing or concerned with facts or actual occurrences; practical.
2. Philosophy. Of or relating to pragmatism.
3. Relating to or being the study of cause and effect in historical or political events with emphasis on the practical lessons to be learned from them.

Basicly, this marker is realistic, and is not full of crap or gimmicks. It is totally user friendly. Its design is based on facts adn lessons learned, so Pragmata seems very accurate to me.




The front grip is theoreticly the perfect paintball sniper grip, as it has elements of a rifle handguard and a vert foregrip. Should be really comfy, but this is still only a theory.

I lowered the profile of the buttplate assembly, for obvious reasons, and lowered the entire stock for mask clearance. The gripframe grips would also have to be sculpted.

The good news is that these flowing organic shapes are much easier to sculpt, as opposed to all those straight lines.

This markers look really reflects is journey... it look s like the total outsider! Really unique and exotic, and I think this going to be the basis for my snipermag.

The bummer is I cant start building it until I get my ULE frame and Q Loader, but they are both in the mail and on their way. Anyone got a spare CMS adapter? Hehe, I need to get one of those as well.

[paintball_fiend]

i think the top one looks better but the barrel shround needs to be a little shorter....say one that length and a spare that is the length of only one filter

also what if you feel like running the warp feed some time...different kits for different days :)



by the way I AM SILL BANNED FROM SPECIAL OPS
GRRR

[famousgamer]

That design uses two filters for the silencer. One might work pretty well. One can cover all the porting and about three inches past, with a J&J 14 inch. Two is just for super silence and good measure. It is heavy tho and very long, but vewy vewy quiet. Its wabbit huntin' season!

And here is the Pragmata compact, using the freak barrel back and short front tip...



This would be nice in a tight spot. I gotta get that freak back and small tip for this configuration. So bullpup...py? Bullpuppy?



It is shown there with the warp feed 90* adapter and the hose going into the Q Loader. In a word: tight.

I also has modified the bottom part of the shell near the Q Loader bottom. Small detail.

Making it work with the warp is an excellent idea Feind. Will work on that ASAP.

Im banned from the Spec Ops boards until October 2007, no joke! Hehe, what clownshoes.

[famousgamer]

Ouch.


How about this?

Maybe some people prefer to shoot in that Longbow shooting position, and wear their paint under their barrel? Fair enough. Ill tell ya tho, after wearing the paint in the stock you will seriously have to think twice about exposing your paint again.

Here is a cutaway pic so you can clearly see the difference in shooting postures.

[ThePixelGuru]

famousgamer - That is an awesome design. I really want to see you make that, I can't think of anything better. A while back I was thinking about carving a P90-style stock out of wood for my Minimag and drilling something out for the trigger, but I abandoned the idea because of lack of mask clearence. Your design is the step I should have taken; it looks damn good, dude.

Hey, while we're at this - you gotta post some silencer videos or sound clips. I want to hear how effective this thing is. The tell us how you did it. I gotta make a trip to the hardware store soon. Minimag with 10-round tubes and a *ahem* mock surpressor...

[famousgamer]

You can count on it. I have Soundforge loaded on my computer, and I can show a wavelength of the sound reoprt, as well as wav. files for both side by side. The only bad thing is that the only sound recording device I have is a dictaphone, but it can do a fairly good job.

I will just measure out the distances, keep the exact same dictaphone mic and firing angles, and make sure all the evidence is empirical.

Lets not get into details about "rain guards" tho, or else this thread will turn into all the other where people talk about them. Debates about laws, etc. Boring. I am gonna just post the findings on my own website when Im done, and Ill send the link out.

I woke up this morning with an interesting idea. I am going to illustrate them and show them later, if all goes well.

[famousgamer]

Okay, check this out...


After those little metal peices are made, you just screw on the shroud peices like the gripframe handgrips screw into the gripframe. Lateral screws hold them into place. Then the plates, or shroud gets hand sculpted and cast. It can be cast in a rubbery material, like the rubber on a VForce mask. How sweet would that be.

If anyone takes this idea, please mail me a copy. Thanks. :) Im serious. No, really.

I also made a fun air-on version.



I gotta tell you, those Rhinos do an amazing job as buttplates. I like them better than rifle style buttplates in fact, when they are in the right spot. You do loose mask clearacnce with this configuration. I tried it with my 68 ci bottle in my back bottle adapter. It is also really back heavy.

The good news is that it is comfy once it is shouldered, and is so tight you will probably on get hit on the marker a quarter of the times you are used to. If you wanted to not use a red dot, and to rely on mobility and natural sight lines, this is the configuration for you.