G-Force to release pneumatic frames for the Mags

[kenndogg]

So you are right, we don't have a prototype for the Mag yet.

why bother, it won't sell anyways. Stick to cockers and blowbacks.

[Papa_Smurf]

why bother, it won't sell anyways. Stick to cockers and blowbacks.

[Lenny]

why bother, it won't sell anyways. Stick to cockers and blowbacks.

Actually, I really really want one...

...and Pneumagger even lives 10mins away from me.

(Sorry Joe, I love your work, but I desperately want to try a factory piece. And I still have your Cyborg. When do you want me to drop it off?)

[cyrus-the-virus]

yeah, considering you guy's can't take the time to put up a decent website(it looks like somthing I did when I first started webdesign) or follow through with any of your other products (I remember eagerly awaiting the release of your pneumatic marker and hopper over a year ago) forgive me if I don't put much faith in you guys.

you talk, but that's it. No action.

It's just going to be TAG all over again, only(hopfully) they won't take pre-orders.

[Ratt]

I am have been wanting a pneumag, so I would be very interested in one of these frames...if the are produced.

[jaywmustang]

Originally Posted by jaywmustang
SWEETNESS!!!!!!!! hopefully it will take agd style triggers




When you say AGD style triggers, are you referring to the exposed trigger portion in the trigger guard area?

The internal or hidden portion needs to be modified to actuate the pneumatic valve.

Garf

yes i would like to use the triggers that r offered now

[TheTramp]

What does that have anything to do with anything?

Pneumatic triggers are to lighten and shorten the triggerpull. Recriprocating mass has nothing to do with a triggerpull. Sure, they'll kick like mules, but they'll have snappy little pulls.

That's what.

I don't like the feel of electric Sypders because, while the pull is short, the hammer movment is the same (spring slamming a heavy hammer). This pneu frame would be prety much the same thing but with no batery.


On another note, I'd love to have one for my Mag though. I don't have the tools to make on and I can't by one from one of the really expereance guys (nice and clean) so if a real company makes it I'd buy it.

[G-Force Tech]

My assumption would be that the two companies are connected at least in a licensing agreement or something.

No, We are not associated with PTP in any ways.

[edweird]

we don't have a prototype for the Mag yet.

Seriously dude, Im trying to give you a fair shake at this.

Id highly suggest putting together a working prototype to show before marketing said item here. Anything else makes this highly skeptical crowd rightfully throw the BS flag.

Im willing to bet we will see the hAIR before we see this thing

see? hell, our little AO drinking team (AFTICA) got to use the hAIR prototype for our games at IAO a few years back. And had it not been for the patent crap, I would of had one of my own in my hands within 3 months after that.

the moral of this story is have a working prototype, then market it to us. Because we are sick of business models that look like:

conceptualize a device for X
patent device for X
Market a device for X
also claim that you can shoehorn it into Y and Z
Market a device for X, Y, and Z
Research and Develop your device for X possibly Y and Z wouldnt work.

[warbeak2099]

So you are right, we don't have a prototype for the Mag yet.

Then don't announce this yet! This always happens to us mag owners. You people thinks it's absolutely hilarious to announce a product that won't be out for 2 years and then ask us why we get so upset. Seriously, announce the product when you've got a working prototype and you have the production process all planned out. People don't like waiting that long.

[G-Force Tech]

The prototypes were done for the 68Super and S1 years ago.

So to answer your question, it does work.

We just need to put the same pneumatic internals into a new CNC machined frame to fit the Mags.

We are already getting helpful suggestions on trigger styles, LPR configurations and frame styles from other Mag owners.

Your post does not provide any suggestion to help at all.

Garf

Seriously dude, Im trying to give you a fair shake at this.

Id highly suggest putting together a working prototype to show before marketing said item here. Anything else makes this highly skeptical crowd rightfully throw the BS flag.



see? hell, our little AO drinking team (AFTICA) got to use the hAIR prototype for our games at IAO a few years back. And had it not been for the patent crap, I would of had one of my own in my hands within 3 months after that.

the moral of this story is have a working prototype, then market it to us. Because we are sick of business models that look like:

conceptualize a device for X
patent device for X
Market a device for X
also claim that you can shoehorn it into Y and Z
Market a device for X, Y, and Z
Research and Develop your device for X possibly Y and Z wouldnt work.

[warbeak2099]

We are telling you not to screw us around like everyone else. In order to do avoid such a thing, you need to keep it to yourself until you have something visible that won't take another year to come out. Now you tell me that you're coming out with this and you've got pictures and all your ducks in a row, and I'll sing your praises. But this kind of announcement is bullcrap.

[BigEvil]

The prototypes were done for the 68Super and S1 years ago.

So to answer your question, it does work.

We just need to put the same pneumatic internals into a new CNC machined frame to fit the Mags.

We are already getting helpful suggestions on trigger styles, LPR configurations and frame styles from other Mag owners.

Your post does not provide any suggestion to help at all.

Garf

Sorry bro, AO is like a woman who has been scorned... repeatedly. Skepticism is to be expected. We all are hoping for the best out of this,.. (But expecting the worst - no offense)

[RogueFactor]

The prototypes were done for the 68Super and S1 years ago.

So to answer your question, it does work.

We just need to put the same pneumatic internals into a new CNC machined frame to fit the Mags.

We are already getting helpful suggestions on trigger styles, LPR configurations and frame styles from other Mag owners.

Your post does not provide any suggestion to help at all.

Garf

Good luck Garf.

Making parts for a very fickle Mag crowd wont be easy. I realize you are asking for suggestions as to the shape/design of the frame so that you can come out with a prototype as close to the final product as you can.

Just realize its been 3+ years that people here have been wanting and waiting for a production pneumatic frame. So this angst you are receiving isnt directed at you, per se. Just directed at yet another company who might possibly market it like PTP has, and then not follow through leaving everyone here without a frame and irritated.

This angst has been compounded by the fact that AO member(s) who posted info about the Do-It-Yourself frames have been contacted by 'unnamed parties' to have that DIY info removed under the veiled threat of perceived litigation.

Again, good luck.

[PanzerGen]

You know guys. If you think this is all bullcrap, you could just ignore this thread. This is not the way to show we would want one of these actually made. We mag owners as a group whine and complain that no one will ever make a pneumatic frame, but when a good possibility shows up, we call them a bs machine and basically tell them not to make it. In fact, if I was in G-Tech's position, this kind of thread would make me think twice about actually making the thing. Why do we constantly shout ourselves in the foot? Automags.org is probably the last major place to advertise mag products so give them a chance maybe? If it doesn't come out, no difference. We continue as before. If it does, mag are sitting pretty once again. I for one am actually willing to make a mental commitment to buy one of these if I comes out. I haven't been here all that long so I didn't go through all of the problems that others have had with companies making mag parts, but I have found one thing, it is far better to be reasonable and polite with a company. I had a nitrotank that Nitroduck sent to a 3rd party tester. It took a month and a half to get it back, and when it came back it was damaged. I was , but in the end, they sent me a new tank for my troubles as they couldn't tell where it had received the damage. Treating companies like trash just because they make mistakes is just silly. They are people too you know. Not some evil monster which will eithier always do things wrong or right. I still have my ireg tank and love it. Would I buy it again, yes. Would I send it in for hydrotesting again, heck no. All I am really asking in my own long-winded way is give this a chance. Would knows, it might just come through. I think they could actually produce something awesome. I encourge them if for no other reason for the principle that any company that supports mags is welcome and should be given a fair chance to prove their claims.