G-Force to release pneumatic frames for the Mags

[warbeak2099]

No I'm upset because companies in general in the paintball industry have been doing this lately. They think it's perfectly fine to announce a product years before it will even come out and then expect people not to be upset when complications delay the release. Announcing a product way before it comes out is idiotic and reprehensible. It's being a douchebag is what it is.

[Rudz]

Give the guy a break, seriously, you guys don't jump all over colin and dw like this, so give him a break.



First of all, garf, do you have a frame design in mind? Hybrid, 45, vert? Also a larger trigger gaurd seems popular around here, I suspect we won't be able to use our agd triggers, so what trigger styles do you have in mind? Can we get a picture of your pnuematics in one of your other frames? A video?

And I apologoze for the negativity and sometimes downright disrespect, but this community has had more than its share of false promises and extended pre orders.

[warbeak2099]

Give the guy a break, seriously, you guys don't jump all over colin and dw like this, so give him a break.



First of all, garf, do you have a frame design in mind? Hybrid, 45, vert? Also a larger trigger gaurd seems popular around here, I suspect we won't be able to use our agd triggers, so what trigger styles do you have in mind? Can we get a picture of your pnuematics in one of your other frames? A video?

And I apologoze for the negativity and sometimes downright disrespect, but this community has had more than its share of false promises and extended pre orders.

Sorry, but he's announcing a product before he has his ducks in a row. That's irresponsible.

Btw, do you have any specs? Top speed? Trigger pull? Valve compatibility? Any information? Or are you just announcing an idea you had?

[BigEvil]

Sorry, but he's announcing a product before he has his ducks in a row. That's irresponsible.

Btw, do you have any specs? Top speed? Trigger pull? Valve compatibility? Any information? Or are you just announcing an idea you had?

They are 'putting their foot in the water' so to speak... and the water appears very turbulent atm.

[edweird]

You know guys. If you think this is all bullcrap, you could just ignore this thread.

I stated above that I am trying to give him a fair shake, after all he is new on AO.

That being said, announcing a product without having a working prototype in this circle is tantamount to marketing the flying car. And if we dont call potential snake oil salesmen out we risk getting off one treadmill for another. The owners group that we are, are indeed like a scorn woman, and we wont take claims of vaporware on faith alone anymore.

Please dont take the above paragraph to harshly, I was not calling G-Force a snake oil salesman, but making the point we do not have evidence that he has a viable product yet for the mag market. I seriously want him to prevail and offer us a fantastic product, but its important that he does not put the proverbial cart in front of the horse. We have all been bitten to many times to let that slide again.

Give the guy a break, seriously, you guys don't jump all over colin and dw like this, so give him a break.

We didnt jump all over Colin like this because he came to us with a product first and foremost. The guy did it right, and sadly got screwed over in the process, but we respect that. And when he stops getting screwed over im sure alot of us will reciprocate our respect with marker sales. Enough about Colin, its like comparing apples to oranges at this time.

[RogueFactor]

That being said, announcing a product without having a working prototype...

Heya ed!

In all fairness, with G-Force having a patent on their IP, Im certain they have a working prototype of the pneumatic trigger/marker. Maybe not one for a mag yet, but thats just a matter of adapting what they do have to work with a mag. Which is exactly what they are asking for: the perferences of mag owners in what they would like to see in a frame.

What I do know is DW met the G-Force guys within the last few years and has seen their product, and had not a bad word to say about them. DW's respect for them means something to me, so I have reserved my opinions until I see something to make me believe otherwise.

[mostpeople]

If, if you made an airwalk style frame as a bolt on pneumatic option with a nice CP ASA or something I would buy it most likely

Or if you used chimera frames as a bolt on option as well, both are easily done then I would assume the market would be high..

I probably wouldnt care for an IT..

[G-Force Tech]

Our 68Super prototype was debuted at IAO many years ago. It was a double tube pneumatic marker. The videos show the 68Super shooting and the integrated body pneumatics. There was shootdown during the video which was from the air chamber not recharging fast enough.

http://media.putfile.com/G-Force-68Super-2006-Internals-2

http://media.putfile.com/G-Force-68Super-2006-Demo-6

The 68Super has since been redesigned as the S1 with a single tube but we decided not to release it.

As to specs, the trigger pull will be the same as the one you see in the video. We had another video show the trigger being actuated by a drinking straw.

Our company also made upgrades for the Autocockers and Matrix in the past.

We are not about to go to production for a pneumatic Mag frame not knowing if the Mag owners would even consider it unless we do our research first. Just producing a prototype frame just to show you is costly.

What would be important at this stage is, do Mag owners prefer traditional 45 style frames or vertical frames? We can not copy the AGD style triggers as they are copyright designs.

Sorry, but he's announcing a product before he has his ducks in a row. That's irresponsible.

Btw, do you have any specs? Top speed? Trigger pull? Valve compatibility? Any information? Or are you just announcing an idea you had?

[warbeak2099]

What would be important at this stage is, do Mag owners prefer traditional 45 style frames or vertical frames? We can not copy the AGD style triggers as they are copyright designs.

Neither. Hybrid angle frame ftw. 86* frames are the best. Low profile of a 45* and comfort of a 90*. Examples:

http://www.logicpaintball.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/RedUSF.jpg

http://www.logicpaintball.com/images/ripperusf.jpg

http://www.logicpaintball.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/UEF-FrontPagePic3.jpg

http://www.logicpaintball.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/UMF-StoreImage.jpg

Btw, please don't jerk us around on this. AO has really had it with people claiming to be coming out with pneuframes. This is like the last straw.

[Dirge]

I would like to see either an 85, though a 45 is safe and will sell. A large trigger guard with an integrated lpr so it can be bolt on would be good too. As far as triggers go, a Critical style would be to my liking.

I hope this happens. You have at least one sale. Just avoid the whole pre-order thing if you can. It kills trust.

[longi]

I likes me verts. :)

[longi]

If you do manage to get one of these into production, i'll definately have one! Best of luck. :)

[edweird]

cool thanks for the info, I wish yall would reconsider doing a prototype frame even in a popular 45 or 90 just to show that you can cram all that into a frame. Proof of concept goes along way here.

whatever the frame shape/angle I think its of the foremost importance that you get the room to fit whatever pneumatics your system requires to run optimally, to tell you to cram it into a 90deg or 45style frame is cosmetics at best. Sorry to be of no help on the shape, but that is the utilitarian in me... ive always held to the mantra "what does it do, how well does it to it" first and foremost; outside of that is all fluff to me.

best of luck, I hope to see something I can potentially buy or compare to the other pneu/hAir mags ive used.

[kenndogg]

Sorry bro, AO is like a woman who has been scorned... repeatedly. Skepticism is to be expected. We all are hoping for the best out of this,.. (But expecting the worst - no offense)

exactly..which is why I stated my comments earlier about not bothering with the mag and moving on to other platforms.
I mean why bother when all you recieve is backlash when you announce something that can only improve the marker.
For some reason these people think that you owe them something, you don't. Move on to a customer base that would be more appreciated with your efforts (I know the cocker guys would eat this up). I have a spyder and cocker that I wouldn't mind outfitting a pnue frame with them.
Hell half these folks said that could make their own for cheaper...I say let them then.

[mostpeople]

Interesting, you are going to make an automag frame (maybe) and it wont use AGD spec triggers?

I dont see that going over well