What justifies the cost of an Emag?

[Dave]

I was at a local store today, the same one that refuses to carry Emags. I asked the guy why it was again that they didn't carry Emags...because the last time I talked to a guy there I got an excuse. I got the same thing this time...here is what I was told:

The Emag is basically a mag with an electronic frame slapped on. And why would we carry a gun that costs about $1000 when we have mag at $200?

It made me think, but I know the Emag isn't just a hypermag. Then I talked about the release of the X-treme Emag and how it will have the anti-chop eye and low pressure mod and cool milling...then the response was:

Yeah, but for $1400 you could just get an angel, a gun that started out aluminum and already milled(or something like that)

And so I started to think of why the Emag costs what it costs...maybe Tom could help me out on the exact figures....for most of the whole gun.

I haven't really seen an Emag under $1000 unless it was a sale and certainly not in cool colors...so I am trying to figure out what justifies the cost of the emag. I'd like to let these guys know. They are gonna be missing out when the X-treme hits the scene! Also I really don't think it's fair to compare it to a classic mag with standard feed and no barrel.

-Dave

[RATM]

First of all its not just a 200 dollar mag that has an electronic grip thrown on. Its more like a 700 one. You're forgetting the Retrovalve.

[InfinatyBPS]

hmmm...

I was wondering the same thing, because even an RT Pro goes for $500. I was wondering, because in reality it realy is just a Electro frame with a battery pack in the front, because as far as I know, there aren't any rams or anything making it realy a true electro, it is still controled by a sear unlike most any true electro. But dispite this it does seem to be a good quality and performing gun.

[Dave]

no, I didn't forget the Retro...I am asking just what is it that makes it a $700 gun w/o the electronic frame, because comparitively, like InfinityBPS says, RTs are around $500.

-Dave

[Croix71]

There's a lot of things added up to get that $1000 price tag. Stuff like materials, dealers mark up, R&D costs, customer service @ AGD, etc. I look at this way, a comic book is just paper and ink but they sell it for $3-4. You end up paying for all the costs associated with that product. I think it would be hard to quantify exactly.

[Restola]

well the going price online for a new emag seems to be around $900-1000. a used one for $650-750.

i dont think it is overpriced at all. maybe you and the guys at the store have never shot one before. comparing an emag to a $200 mag with a grip slapped on is like comparing a chevy cavillier to a corvette. simply because they both have an engine, and tires, and are from chevy, doesnt make them equal. regardless of how much $$ you put in the cavillier it is not a vette and wont perform like one.

simply being here first will give the angel a lot of support regardless of the facts also.

i really stopped caring when im at the field what other people say or think. everyone is so misinformed and so dug into whatever trench they got into that it really isnt worth the battle for me to try to make people see the light. kind of like politics or religion. why ruin a good dinner or a good game of paintball with largly useless and often inflamitory conversations. whenever i get pulled into a debate (usually between the young players) and someone asks me what gun is the best ill shrug, say something good about my mag and the player behind it, and walk away.

my opinion anyways. you are all free to continue your struggle of course.

[KamikazePenguin]

well, let's start with the price of an RT pro: add a circuit board, solenoid, NiMH battery pack, entirely new grip frame, car charger...i'd say that $400 is made up easy (they're $900 @paintballgear.com). Also, you've got to figure in a profit margin for AGD.

[Major Ho]

Dave...You know darn straight that Pevs JUST had their annual sale having COLORED emags for $795, NEW!!!. If you are shopping at check it...poor poor you, i pity you... They are stuck in their happy little la la land. They cater to the wet behind the ears, newbie, young guns. Jim bends over backwards for the kids but if youre not one, tough luck... As for the EMag. Have you even touched the grip frame? Have you seen how extremely cool the whole magnetic trigger thing was. Yes I do believe that its pretty much a mag with an electro grip on it but its made to AGD specs. From what I hear, stuff like the centerflag grips do something odd like not open the...(dang I forgot what that one person told me) but it doesnt do stuff right and kinda tears up your gun. For example, Im told the centerflag frame will eat up your bolt. Maybe its the sear or something that it doesnt hold it down long enough or something. Hang around rob for a while and he'll show you all the neat tricks his emag can do.
I also reiterate the unbelievably cool and silky smooth magentic trigger. What is this store you speak of?

[Snooky]

well ur not gonna find out what they go for from the factory because its against agds policys for dealers to release this info. but most emags now go for 850-900 new and 625-750 used. thats the prices ive seen atleast. hope this helps.

[Kevmag]

At the company I used to work for (not Paintball or even sporting goods related), the standard MSRP pricing was at least 5 X the COGS (Cost of Goods Sold). So if you took the price of one of our products and divided by 5 you'd get roughly the cost to build this product.

Again, I have no idea how AGD or any other paintball related company prices their products, but wouldn't be suprised if there is a multiplier associated pricing (MSRP).

[Hemlock86]

What justifies the Retro valve to be $300?...beside the fact it perfoms better, Im sure it doesnt cost that much more to make then the classic valve :/

Ill probably still end up getting one, and Im sure thats why it cost what it does...


peace

[Predater]

the angel costs less cuz its ben around a wile. the emag just came out and there trying to get back the money from research and developement.

[Major Ho]

Actually from where I've shopped, the Retro is cheaper than the standard valve when bought alone. compare 275 to 350. And getting the retro is like getting a whole new gun anyways. You can alternate valves between your marker if you ever feel the need. Why must everyone justify everything. Things are because they are

What is the meaning of life...???

[Cliffio]

actually when you add up all the costs of everything from the basic emag it comes to be a bargin

kind like the adrenalin angel compared to stock lcd

[CNickerson]

[/B][/QUOTE]"At the company I used to work for (not Paintball or even sporting goods related), the standard MSRP pricing was at least 5 X the COGS (Cost of Goods Sold). So if you took the price of one of our products and divided by 5 you'd get roughly the cost to build this product.

Again, I have no idea how AGD or any other paintball related company prices their products, but wouldn't be suprised if there is a multiplier associated pricing (MSRP)."[/B][/QUOTE]"


Does anyone find it wrong that Angels cost 70 dollars to make? Everything is marked up. If its from England you've got international tariffs, then the energy needed to run a factory, labor, the cost of the material, cost of machines,etc.. So, while a gun may be dirt cheap to make, you've got a buncha different costs to factor in.