Gforce Internal LPR - post to order.

[Pneumagger]

Cranking it up is also going to affect the trigger pull. That's a big problem IMO.

I used a WGP sledgehammer in at least two of my personal pneumags in the past. They were both set at about 35-45psi and worked fine.
I'd have to dig through AO, but I think it was graphed at like 17+bps burst peak with 15+ sustained.

A few things can be done to increase the volumes. An inline volumizer can be placed on the output to increase the LP volume, larger hoses can be used to increase LP volume, or the adapeter can have a larger volume in it to increase the HP volume. If any problem does indeed exist for this reg outputting ~25psi, optimizing spring rates will be the best performance increase.
I don't think volumes are the problem. The primary disadvantage of the WGP regs is the small piston diameters.

I should have the first production adapter done sometime this week when my threading inserts arrive.
I'll finish the frame and ship it back to the owner for testing.

[mobsterboy]

I used a WGP sledgehammer in at least two of my personal pneumags in the past. They were both set at about 35-45psi and worked fine.
I'd have to dig through AO, but I think it was graphed at like 17+bps burst peak with 15+ sustained.

A few things can be done to increase the volumes. An inline volumizer can be placed on the output to increase the LP volume, larger hoses can be used to increase LP volume, or the adapeter can have a larger volume in it to increase the HP volume. If any problem does indeed exist for this reg outputting ~25psi, optimizing spring rates will be the best performance increase.
I don't think volumes are the problem. The primary disadvantage of the WGP regs is the small piston diameters.

I should have the first production adapter done sometime this week when my threading inserts arrive.
I'll finish the frame and ship it back to the owner for testing.

I thought the sledgehammer was by A.N.S.

but what do i know

[insixdays777]

SOLD to me...pleae put me in line!!! I gota have one! Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pneumagger]

I thought the sledgehammer was by A.N.S.

but what do i know

I believe the Sledgehammer, Oraccle LPR, Tickler, and newer versions are all just cosmetically different variants made my WGP.
I've taken many apart and all look the same internally and they appear to have interchangeable parts.

Barb's Paintball (ANS) appears to put up quite a few on Ebay. Given Barb's recent ethics (Myth Reg) I would not be surprised if there were knockoffs floating around.
Perhaps ANS makes them for WGP?

At any rate, my on-point threading toolholders and bits came in today.
Unfortunately, I recieved 3/4" shank toolholders and my lathe is set up for 1/2" shanks. I'll have to get them milled down tomorrow.
They also sent me an internal threading bar that had a chipped tip and totally forgot one of the grooving inserts.
Maybe I'll get to making a final version tonight... I dunno if I'll get to it, I have to fix a door I kicked-in upstairs the other night.

<--- Has rage issues

[warbeak2099]

The Sledge is not the same as the Tickler, it is much larger inside and out. I don't think it's just going to need to be a 5-10psi difference. You're probably going to have to run the Tickler at more like 50-60psi. It is noticeable when you use one on a cocker. The kick is noticeably greater and you pretty much lose the ability to pinch paint. Unless of course you want to shoot 7bps.

I guess if you want an internal LPR, you have to deal with the inferior pull. Even though this GTA E-Bolt LPR is a brick lol, I've got to say it's not bad as far as recharge goes. Bigger is definitely better. I'd be surprised if Garf actually gets his micro LPR to perform better than something like a Tickler.

[behemoth]

Higher LPR in a pnuemag = slightly stiffer pull.
Higher LPR in a cocker = Kick.

Theres a bit of a difference.

And are you REALLY talking air in here? ITS A DAMN MAG. Go buy AKA or MacDev if you want efficiency.

[Pneumagger]

The Sledge is not the same as the Tickler, it is much larger inside and out. I don't think it's just going to need to be a 5-10psi difference. You're probably going to have to run the Tickler at more like 50-60psi. It is noticeable when you use one on a cocker. The kick is noticeably greater and you pretty much lose the ability to pinch paint. Unless of course you want to shoot 7bps.

I guess if you want an internal LPR, you have to deal with the inferior pull. Even though this GTA E-Bolt LPR is a brick lol, I've got to say it's not bad as far as recharge goes. Bigger is definitely better. I'd be surprised if Garf actually gets his micro LPR to perform better than something like a Tickler.

I understand your concern, but I'm telling you - I "HAVE" used the WGP style LPRs @ 35psi quickly and reliably in some of my personal pneumags.
Namely, this one:



What is the pull weight of Garf's current frame at optimal LPR pressure?
I'll test the pull force of this frame ~55psi and report on it. 55psi seems to be a sweetspot for most of the pneumags I've done.
However, Garf's frame effectively uses a 2X length sear leg. So I'm guessing it'll run smooth 20-30psi. I'll test 55psi just to be sure it's usable though.

[TwilightG]

I've always wondered... how exactly do you measure the output of the LPR?
Especially when tuning for a pneumag, it's not like you have an inline gauge... or do you?

[Pneumagger]

I have an Ashcroft gauge mounted on a T fitting to measure output inline with the airflow.
McMaster sells gauges fairly cheap.

The trick is to buy cheap but certified gauges because everytime a reg fails or spikes it's be bye Mr. Gauge.

[cyberave68]

Nice job Pneumagger...

Pretty neat idea to fix/finish some thing that others just dont seem worried about....
man i need to get a garage and a mill so i can have some fun too....

[warbeak2099]

What is the pull weight of Garf's current frame at optimal LPR pressure?

About 1-2oz

[warbeak2099]

low enough that, without a safety and no on/off ASA, I'm constantly filling my barrel sock with peg and gelatin

Yea lol.

[skyless]

low enough that, without a safety and no on/off ASA, I'm constantly filling my barrel sock with peg and gelatin

With that being said, Would a lp on/off work for a safty? like one of these?

http://stcvalve.com/Air_Valve.htm

or mabie anyof these?

http://www.dcionline.com/PDF/VLV.PDF

Sorry for the jack but seemed lpr oriented

[Pneumagger]

no, you'll still have charged air in the system.
Does an on off ASA work as a marker safety?

[Pneumagger]

A clippard SMTV-3 is an on/off valve ith output bleed and uses a toggle switch. That would serve well as a safety switch.
However, I do not think the WGP regs flow back on themselves to vent pressure past the reg.
Ultimately, the best safety for a pneumag would be an emag type of safety where the sear movement is blocked.

Update: I got my on-point threading toolholder milled down to 1/2" so I can start making chips this weekend.
Got the orings ordered as well as mounting screws. I'll make a final version this weekend and get it tested with a CP on/off grip.
Then I'll make about 10 (more if people want 'em) during the next week and post payment info.
... just a few more days people

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Just a note... these will be raw 6065 aluminum as I'm not sure anodizing such a small part is worth it.
Also, the CP on/off ASA will need faced off on the top because there is a "groove" running along the top and I need a smooth surface for the oring.
I can avoid this if someone can find me .203 (13/64) Orings that are thicker than 1/16"