Aluminum Classic Valve

[OPBN]

I dont have an exact price in my head. i would think the front half of the valve could be made and sold at $100 even if atleast 12 people would take one. TK said i could make up to 50 of them.

Jay

I could probably choke that down. Maybe twice. Would depend on the cost of the PT tip.

[Cokrkilr]

I think someone should get a weight of a loaded classic reg back (ready to drop in, seals, spring pack etc all in place) and the front half with no bolt. IMO, just based on feel, without the bolt the back still weighs more than the front. Yes, for the guy with the cap (not everybody can have one or run that setup because those are not available) this mod makes the valve weigh next to nothing... but the guy that wants this that has to use the old reg back and all other parts, this is still $100 or a little more for a couple ounces of weight savings... or, the valve comes complete, now its x valve priced... Id rather not use my mag for a tournament and buy the x valve.

We already spent $250 to get the classic valve a decade ago, why pay that same price for less product... at least Id get a rail body and grip frame back in the day



And I was thinking the 7000 series aluminum was more expensive than that black

[Cokrkilr]

They're on drugs. Hyperframes used to pop up pretty often for under $150. I would wager its the one that someone thinks is a Devilmag frame and is shooting for the moon.

Not to put up an arguement, but my point is... currently that particular frame is the only electro frame for sale for a mag without building one yourself. And I agree, it will be for sale forever at that price. And ive followed a few auctions that went over $225 for both a booyah and a hyper within the last 3 months

[C_losjoker]

I dont have an exact price in my head. i would think the front half of the valve could be made and sold at $100 even if atleast 12 people would take one. TK said i could make up to 50 of them.

Jay

Would that include a cap for the back,in case you wanted to run without the reg half?


Also is a classic valve pneumag automag tournament legal?

[OPBN]

I think someone should get a weight of a loaded classic reg back (ready to drop in, seals, spring pack etc all in place) and the front half with no bolt.

Reg = 6.95 oz
Valve body w/o bolt = 5.8oz
Bolt = 2.2 oz.

X Valve body w/o bolt = approx 3 oz. ( 3.70 w/macro fitting)

[OPBN]

Not to put up an arguement, but my point is... currently that particular frame is the only electro frame for sale for a mag without building one yourself. And I agree, it will be for sale forever at that price. And ive followed a few auctions that went over $225 for both a booyah and a hyper within the last 3 months

There are also VER and E90 frames, but they are in the $400+ range. Anyone that paid $225+ for a Hyper or Booyah , especially a Booyah, frame is doing it wrong. Only way those should be selling for even close to that is if they are the 20bps version of the Hyper, loaded with Lukes extras or they are the Morlock'd versions. I've seen Booyahs seliing for $50 not all that long ago. And they have a reputation for being total crap.

VER: http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...-Red-VER-Frame

[Cokrkilr]

Would that include a cap for the back,in case you wanted to run without the reg half?


Also is a classic valve pneumag automag tournament legal?

I think its as long as its one pull one ball its legal. I was going to look up rules but decided my tournament play is over anyhow lol...


One other thing Id like to prepare people for is, if it does come with the cap, now you have to get a GOOD regulator to use, catch 22 here.

Is it worth getting a full aluminum valve for (lets assume) $225, still need power tube, still need springs, reg nut, spring pack etc etc...

OR

Is it worth it to only get a half a valve for $100? If it comes with a cap say? $120?? plus a good regulator, $65-$90, then you still need to buy parts to make the valve half work.

Its the same price either way you look at it.

[Cokrkilr]

Reg = 6.95 oz
Valve body w/o bolt = 5.8oz
Bolt = 2.2 oz.

X Valve body w/o bolt = approx 3 oz. ( 3.70 w/macro fitting)

so this is over +/- 2 oz? seems silly

[Cokrkilr]

There are also VER frames, but they are in the $400+ range. Anyone that paid $225+ for a Hyper or Booyah , especially a Booyah, frame is doing it wrong. Only way those should be selling for even close to that is if they are the 20bps version of the Hyper, loaded with Lukes extras or they are the Morlock'd versions. I've seen Booyahs seliing for $50 not all that long ago. And they have a reputation for being total crap.

I agree with booyah, but with the availability of boards for damn near nothing now days I figured if you got a frame thats at least set up for a mag and you knew the board sucked, you could just wire in a different board to the clapper right?

[OPBN]

Is it worth it to only get a half a valve for $100? If it comes with a cap say? $120?? plus a good regulator, $65-$90, then you still need to buy parts to make the valve half work.

Its the same price either way you look at it.

While it may not be worth it for everyone, it would be for some and lets face it, this is a niche product. I have all the extras already to make this work for me. So yeah, its worth it. Just for the ability to be able to anodize it. Besides the powertube, bolt etc, all you would need is an on/off with the external reg. No other internals are needed.

[OPBN]

so this is over +/- 2 oz? seems silly

For some, like me it isnt necessarily the weight as much as it is the ability to get it anodized.

[Carnage reigns]

While it may not be worth it for everyone, it would be for some and lets face it, this is a niche product. I have all the extras already to make this work for me. So yeah, its worth it. Just for the ability to be able to anodize it. Besides the powertube, bolt etc, all you would need is an on/off with the external reg. No other internals are needed.

Agreed, considering all the foregrips I like cost about $60 this is well worth it to me. And $120 would be awesome if it had the cap and it was already threaded. I feel you could sell $50 at that price. Add your work on the last two bodies you have done gives people trust in you. I would buy a level 10 plus a reg and be happy.

[Carnage reigns]

so this is over +/- 2 oz? seems silly

I'm gonna say about 7oz when it's all said and done vs. a classic valve. I think this idea is golden.

[OPBN]

Agreed, considering all the foregrips I like cost about $60 this is well worth it to me. And $120 would be awesome if it had the cap and it was already threaded. I feel you could sell $50 at that price. Add your work on the last two bodies you have done gives people trust in you. I would buy a level 10 plus a reg and be happy.

Which has always been my thinking as well.

[Cokrkilr]

I'm gonna say about 7oz when it's all said and done vs. a classic valve. I think this idea is golden.

How did you come up with this #? He made no implications of even making the cap, he said "I will make the valve section and let people finish them off themselves"

That means until it gets clarified, you have to use your reg back... so take 5.8 oz of stainless, and minus 3.7 oz that an xvalve weighs (assuming it weighs the same) thats 2 oz.

I reffered to opbn as being about the only one to see real savings if he used his cap on this... my math is based on the fact XMT has not said he is making caps, at all