Aluminum Classic Valve

[Cokrkilr]

I think the idea of caps may still be there, but this whole front business only had a puff of steam to start with

And I agree about capping the x valve, you bought it cuz it's an x valve and for the super fast recharge already built into it.

The cap could sell because it shaves 7oz+/- of the back and makes the marker more sleek looking. Almost like its not a mag anymore...

[OPBN]

I think the idea of caps may still be there, but this whole front business only had a puff of steam to start with

Could care less about caps. I already have mostly what I need on those and can get one or two from DM if needed. I disagree about a puff as I am counting 4-5 people that seemed basically on board and I was considering taking 2, so that put us about 1/2 way there and thats after 1 day or so.

[Patron God of Pirates]

Well, in reality you can pneu the classic, same as the x or any other variant because your taking the ability to rt out of the equation... it all comes down to input pressure and human hands. The classic will arguably handle 15 bps before shootdown as is, if you can twiddle your fingers faster that's where you'd have problems. You'd most likely be chuffing and chopping by then though

You don't have to shoot 16 balls in a second to have this problem. You just need to try to shoot 2 balls in 0.07 seconds. Then you short stroke and blow up the next ball in the barrel.

[Cokrkilr]

OK, you have what you need, what about the other 11 people?

Id just post a poll. But before you do that id get a dead set price from xmt and a final design (if your going to.go with caps or unthreaded)

Otherwise that's going to end up like this thread too

[Cokrkilr]

You don't have to shoot 16 balls in a second to have this problem. You just need to try to shoot 2 balls in 0.07 seconds. Then you short stroke and blow up the next ball in the barrel.

All the more reason for you to make an electro frame for us :) short stroke solved...

[OPBN]

OK, you have what you need, what about the other 11 people?

XMT said he would/can make caps so if thats what people want, let it go that direction. I had a project or two that I would use the valve body in, but if it doesnt come to fruition I'll just nix the projects and move on.

[Cokrkilr]

Id just get with XMT. Find out the price on the power tube, or if they are even available. Or if you have to make one valve useless and unsellable to make another one work (i know some of you dont care either way, but if you have to use the x valve power tube that could be an expensive useless valve).

Then the design. Threaded regular valve back and capped, or solid? The threaded back would make more sense if someone didnt want to use an external reg and just slap the classic valve back on it. Then you run into stainless again, cant anno match it, square one. So does he make the aluminum regs too? now cost goes up (x valve pricing here).

I know you have your project. And thats yours... not everybody will want this for the same thing, just like everybody customizes their mag in their own way.

Seems like many many unknowns, and still, the final price on a complete product.

Edit: Also, approaching 1200 views I'd say most of the active AO community has seen this thread (lets be honest, not a whole lot has been going on lately).... Id say your list is what youve got now. Unless something completely innovative comes out of this.

Edit#2. After thinking about it more, I don't think the correct air passages for the on off could.be made without doing it from the back, meaning the one piece design is potentially out?

[OPBN]

AKA and Palmers regs are aluminum as are most inlines.

[zondo]

Thanks for the input. Some of us want this for other purposes. If you're not interested, cool. No need to spend your efforts trying to kill a project that others may want.

:)

Neat!

If this was started as your or XMT's project thread to actually produce them, you're right, I wouldn't use my energy to detract from making a product. But the original point of the thread was about why AGD never made aluminum classic valves and because the UWL supposedly doesn't allow X valves. It wasn't for your personal endeavors.

But thanks for your input!

[Cokrkilr]

AKA and Palmers regs are aluminum as are most inlines.

OK? Where did this come from?

If it was about the stainless part of my post, its clearly written and ill write it again in different wording . If someone wanted to use this mod to anodize but not run an external reg, like aka or Palmer or any other aluminum one... then they would have to use their stainless agd reg back, thus throwing off the ability to anodize the valve to color match. So is he going to make reg backs as an option too? Since already made aluminum reg backs are not as plentiful as people have made them out to be.

[OPBN]

OK? Where did this come from?

If it was about the stainless part of my post, its clearly written and ill write it again in different wording . If someone wanted to use this mod to anodize but not run an external reg, like aka or Palmer or any other aluminum one... then they would have to use their stainless agd reg back, thus throwing off the ability to anodize the valve to color match. So is he going to make reg backs as an option too? Since already made aluminum reg backs are not as plentiful as people have made them out to be.

I was on my way out of the door and read quickly through your post. Maybe I misread it. IMO, it makes zero sense to produce a full valve due to overall cost, but if someone is willing to buy them, I'm sure XMT will make them. Maybe the capped/threaded route is what people want. If so, cool.

[Cokrkilr]

What happened to.the discussion thread, got deleted already?

[blackdeath1k]

Maybe the capped/threaded route is what people want. If so, cool.

Not me. Not for the expense. Only way I'm considering this is if it is a compact front half only in a small package. Other than that. I will just take an old classic valve to a mill and lathe at work. And this is all still dependent on overall cost and how my petty cash is sitting when it even goes up for order.

Would have posted this in the link. But it doesn't seam to be there.

[blackdeath1k]

:)

Neat!

If this was started as your or XMT's project thread to actually produce them, you're right, I wouldn't use my energy to detract from making a product. But the original point of the thread was about why AGD never made aluminum classic valves and because the UWL supposedly doesn't allow X valves. It wasn't for your personal endeavors.

But thanks for your input!

In a nutshell. AGD didn't make them because they didn't feel it was a cost effective project. Heck. I wonder what year all the al xvalves and mags were created that are still for sale new now.

[Carnage reigns]

XMT if you do decide to do an X-Valve cap I would be all in for that. I'm also in on the classic valve front half. Either way achieves what I'm trying to do.