***R&D Thread: Aluminum 1 Piece Cap'd Valve Body

[OPBN]

I thought the reference to AKA and Palmers would have been enough. Not talking about bottle regs, the newer regs only go to 400-500psi, highest ive found so far is bob long at 600. Even AKA regs dont go past 550 anymore. I said shp because its reffered to as super high pressure, right? not just associated with ninja :)

The use of the term SHP regs threw me off. Only heard it used in reference to the NINJA bottle regs.

Palmers still makes inline Stab/regs and they go up to 1k-1.2K: http://palmer-pursuit.com/cart/male-...zer-p-172.html

Sidewinder goes up to 800psi: http://akalmp.com/07pdf/SIDEWINDER.pdf

I thought the output on the 2liter+ was higher, but only looks to be 550psi. Pretty sure there are others. I have a Bob Long on my pump and its not maxed out, and works fine.

[need4reebs]

This is why I said earlier I wouldn't be on any type of pre order till there was at least 1-2 of these done and tested. Both with ult and classic on off installed.

Also, just for a reference, how much were the caps when they were made?

yup i agree with ya big Dawg...i wonder if that would ever happen tho?

[Carnage reigns]

I thought the reference to AKA and Palmers would have been enough. Not talking about bottle regs, the newer regs only go to 400-500psi, highest ive found so far is bob long at 600. Even AKA regs dont go past 550 anymore. I said shp because its reffered to as super high pressure, right? not just associated with ninja :)

Palmer makes one that goes to 1200psi.

[TimmyJay]

i challenge everyone to delete the unecessary posts (or portions) that are in this thread to clean it up. This includes me...

It is just hard enough to stay on task. I am not calling out any one person. I already started my clean up. Thank you all for your contributions.

[Cokrkilr]

Palmer makes one that goes to 1200psi. And I know u said in the other thread u weren't trying to be a dick but u sure do come off as one.

I thought I had actually been trying to help and contribute on ideas for a few issues, guess I'm just a dick for that. Such a cock bag....

[OPBN]

with mags any shift in tolerances could mean possible problems? even a few mm?

I wouldn't think so in this area. All you are doing is making the wall thicker and making the dump chamber smaller. No different than putting a single devolumizer shim in. At least thats what I think. We do really need someone who has or is able to CAD this out to see what will and won't work.

I would think we will definitely need to get one or two prototypes/first runs so that people can test them. I know TimmyJay has the capabilities to test and I have two platforms that the can go into. I can also rig up a platform using totally stock parts to insure the only variable is the valve body.

[blackdeath1k]

if the dump chamber gets smaller won't it take a higher pressure to achieve the same ball speed?

[TimmyJay]

It may take another setup but there is room on the sides of the on/off that could be drilled out. Lighten and offer more volume in the dump.

[Cokrkilr]

if the dump chamber gets smaller won't it take a higher pressure to achieve the same ball speed?

Yes, but I think it would be miniscule in comparison to the pressure to operate the valve, without testing it would be a shot in the dark on how much more. You'd also really have to test a real classic and this side by side to know for sure, as every setup wont run the same input psi.

[blackdeath1k]

Yes, but I think it would be miniscule in comparison to the pressure to operate the valve, without testing it would be a shot in the dark on how much more. You'd also really have to test a real classic and this side by side to know for sure, as every setup wont run the same input psi.

Oh I agree with that totally. And it may not affect much at all. Idk. Just throwing out the potential issue with it.

[Cokrkilr]

Well.... seems like reasearch on what some specific wants/needs are somewhat done and 99% of the how to are done. Pending making one I dunno how much more can be added or done to improve it?

One piece
On off milled up from field strip hole and set screw, in from front (threaded then locktighted? -cheaper? or plug)
Power tube from a classic
Slightly devolumize front to allow plug
Drilled to order input ports

[Cokrkilr]

Since this died...

OPBN, can you still get a valve cap from whomever made them?

[TimmyJay]

I don't think it is dead yet, but is heading that direction. I talked with XMT and he is obviously busy right now. He didn't count it out for the future though. I think he needs to get through the RT body order and go from there. I am completely interested in a custom valve body even if I have to do one on my own through XMT.

[TimmyJay]

UP! to spark renewed interest.