Automag vs Autococker, please level with me

[Reo5th]

No matter which gun you go with you should definatly go with a Nitro upgrade. You seem concerned about accuracy and a consistant marker can help with this. Don't be afraid of the mag's poor playing with CO2, becuase if you plan on upgrading to a 'high-end' marker, HPA is a must.

Cockers have appeal because they are complex, and you can upgrade virtually every part. Timing really isn't an issue.

Mags don't look nearly as cool as cockers - however they can be upgraded to a high-end marker with minimal parts. (This, I believe is why Mags aren't as appealing. Its really fun to go out and blow money on 15 different parts, each making your gun a little better. Instead, the mag has 3 or 4 great major upgrades. Wahoo! Not as fun as upgrading a cocker.)

My 2 cents...If you want a great performing gun that is very reliable; go for a mag. If you are crazy about upgrading and tweaking your marker; the cocker may be right for you.

I never regret buying a mag - nor would I trade it for a cocker. It is all preference, and I'm just a mag guy.

[Blennidae]

You seem to be concerned with the timing issue. I don't own a cocker, so I have never done it, so I can't speak of its ease/difficulty. I am sure that if I were to buy one, I could learn how to do it.

What you can ask yourself in this regard is, are you mechanically inclined? If something is not working right, can you figure out why and fix it? Some people can, other people can touch a rubber ball and find a way to break it.

Just something to think about.

[Reo5th]

Its not even that. My buddy Angry Man has a cocker and I have a mag. I'd like to think i'm a bit more mechanically inclined then he is. My previous gun was a rebel (spyder clone) and I just hated getting to the field and gassing up a broken marker. I'd rather be spending my time playing; not fixing my marker.

[FalconGuy016]

I have to takea the time to read all of this, thanks for all your responses.


No, I dont know WHERE you got the idea, im NOT looking for status, Im looking for performance....

I thought that was clear.

Thanks for the responses though

Im a new player, but im not new to paintball

[magman007]

hey, ok im assuming that you have a tippman, you said linkage arm, that was my key. You said your marker was poopy compared to everyone elses, now you also said it encountered some problems. Well i assumed popy was like cruddy compared to the other high end markers, meaning you wanted one. If you want performance, it hink a mag is the way to go. Just an automag, not a minimag. minimags look nice, but add the extra weight. oh well....tell us what you decide on.

[mihanikos]

I'm reading this thread and everyone keeps mentioning how you have to use nitro with a mag, this isn't true, i used co2 for quite some years and my father in law has been playing with co2 for 13 and he hasn't had any problems, the only time you'll have a problem is if liquid gets into the gun, this is easily rectified with a good expansion chamber if you really need to shoot with co2. I don't think that should be the deciding factor. I just got thru playing yesterday and I came up against some guys with cockers and was not impressed at all. I have a mini with lvl 10 and a warp and I shot way better than they did, even my teammates with stock mags plastered them. and all I kept hearing all day was how they were having nothing but problems with their guns, one guy even went back to shooting his RT. Anyway, I would suggest the mag, a stock mag is a very good gun, a stock cocker isn't that's why there are all types of upgrades, there aren't a whole lot of upgrades that really work for the mag because it's a great shooting gun out of the box, it doesn't need $700.00 of upgrades to be a great gun to play with. A stock mag is an excellent gun to play with, a mag with retro, lvl 10 and an intelliframe is a another story.

[angelKiller16]

i was having this same delema about a year ago. I absolutley could not decide what to get, i started looking at both guns prices used. I found that you can get a very nice mag for 250$ or less. Leaving you with plenty of money to buy a good air system.

As stated before you can have a the most rockin mag for about 400$ in upgrades if you get these things; lvl 10 85$, retro valve 200$ (trade in program) and a intelliframe 115$.

Another option that will be out soon is the medusa frame, noone knows everything about it as of now but it's suposed to be using magnets, possibley electronics and is suposed to be very sweet.

I encourage you to look on clasifieds forum here and you can find great deal from very trustworthy people.

[Laxpunk2006]

Alright just because there are a ton of upgrades for the cocker don't mean they are nessecary. And you dont need all new pneumatics to go low pressure. Pneumatics are strictly for cycling the gun. If you just want to go play I'd say get the automag. If you like to tinker with your gun and play with upgrades and the such, the autococker is for you. I'd check out www.air-powered.com for some tech help and forums for the autococker, to help you choose. Also timing isn't actually that hard. Just need to get some good step by step instructions. And you dont even really have to do it unless you change something on your gun. Or buy certain upgrades.

[petefol]

im not wondering how much it would cost to get every upgrade for a cocker, i just want to know how much it would cost to get the upgrades that would make the cocker the best it could be.

[FooTemps]

It's really up to what kind of player you are.

A mag setup is actually really cheap, get a tko mag with everything you need and buy an 80 dolla tank and you're set. Then the cocker setup is just about as simple and about the same price, buy a bottomline cocker setup and screw in the co2. Both are upgradeable to high end guns. I mean, the Racegrip Cocker and Extreme C&C E-mag are way up in the paintball world when it comes to performance and the beauty of it is that you can upgrade a cocker or mag up to an electro supergun. It doesn't really matter, you're choice.

[FalconGuy016]

Thanks for all the advice everyone,

I think Im gonna go for the mag :)

[Ov3rmind]

Let me dispell one thing as false that I keep hearing about the Cocker: it doesn't NEED a ton of upgrades to perform well. If you get a new trigger frame and a new barrel, you will be set as far as you need to go. Everything else is just for looks or to have the Cocker peak it's performance. Anyway, I have a soft spot for both markers, so either one you would have picked I would have said "good choice!"

So anyway, good choice!

[Dern]

Has anyone heard about the Palmer Blazer? I know Magkoko can tell you much more ( cuz he has one) but it is like an autococker, but it is smaller and can run co2 really well (it's made for CO2 I think.) Anyways... talk to Magkoko abuot it cuz maybe u will want that gun instead. It's pretty good i hear, especially for the price (a little more then a cocker).

[Kevmag]

Originally posted by Dragoon
If your budget minded (and it seems you are) then here is my advice.

To get the best bang for your buck by a used mag. First of all mags seem to have a lower resale value than cockers. Secondly the materals used in a mag and the great design, mean they don't wear out (a 10 year old mag will still run like new with a few new o-rings). The minimag body costs more than a standard body and the only diferences are cosmetic. They do look really nice, but think of the mini body as an upgrade you could always add later.

So check out the classifieds here and look for a mag that you can afford. Better yet put up an add of your own saying something like "I'm looking for a mag and have $350 show me what you got". You'd be amazed at what you can get. I've bought powerfeed mags with extra barrels and all the fittings for just over $150 (now that was exceptional, but you never know what you'll find - by the way that mag was bought from a local store that was selling it on consignment, don't forget to check out your local stores for used equipment).

Douglas

edit: oh and I forgot. The tank offered above for $50 seems like a good option. You get a lot for your money buying things that are used.

This is really good advice. Buy a used marker from the classified section of AO. Make sure you check the sellers feedback. Great deals can be had if you're patient (and even if you aren't). I bought 2 used Mag's w/ Retro Valves for $350 each!

[strongboy2005]

If you buy an automag then I guarantee you I give you a maximum of 2 years, if you're serious about paintball, before you get an autococker, love it, and apply the tactics you had to learn from using a lesser gun for the time before you had your cocker. Then you will realize how much you wish that you had got an autococker in the first place because you will try to sell your $400 mag and only get $200 for it on eBay. Hey, it's not spam, it's what happened to me, and I regret buying my stock mag since. If you get a mag make sure you have $500 or so to trick it out with, or it won't be worth your while.