My idea (or half idea) for a closed bolt automag

[billmi]

Originally posted by The Creature
The fact is ANYONE who has shot a cocker (with good paint/barrel match...VERY IMPORTANT) and shot any open bolt gun, they will deffinently say the cocker was more accurate.

That is not true.

The SC Ironmen have shot 'cockers and they shoot open bolt Matrix paintguns. They do not say the 'cocker is more accurate. This is from casual conversation, not something they're forced to say for sponsorship reasons. The same goes for Ground Zero and their open bolt Intimidators. The same for the guys on Aftershock that shoot open bolt paintguns - they don't have to choose based on sponsorship, they get to shoot what they want.

If there really was this difference in accuracy, why would so many pro and top am players, who's chance of winning depends on being able to shoot accurately, use open bolt paintguns?

See you on the field,
-Bill Mills

[billmi]

Ooops, hit reply instead of edit :-P

[The Creature]

i would assume cause they are (usually) faster and more reliable than cockers...

In any event, i did not mention guns such as the impy and bushy or angel much, because i really did not think much about them. I guess you are right, but considering i have never shot one of them i can not compare them to any of the guns i listed and used. If i did, according to what i hear, i am sure they would work just as good, if not better.

I generalized and i shouldn't have, sorry.

[FreshmanBob]

Bill Mills,
Your the man.

[The Creature]

BIll i appreciate how responcibly and unbiosed you reply to people whether right or wrong, because it makes things so much easier. I do not mind admitting i am wrong to someone who can still treat me with common decency. Naturally the more offensive a responce is the more people tend to become defensive, so when someone proves you're wrong, but does it in a way that is fair, considerate and non threatening it allows the person to say "oh ok i see your point, now i know better." Instead of "screw you ^%@&*"

[Top Secret]

I have seen zero difference in the accuracy of my cocker or my mags which both utilize the same Freak kit on them. I have also seen no difference between my cocker which I run with stock internals vs. the cockers of people who use the various LP internals on the market. It's hype. Don't buy it.

Bill, Matricies are closed bolt btw.

[billmi]

The Creature,

Thanks. I'd much rather spend time talking about paintball than getting into a 4th grade level name calling match. One of the reasons AO is on the short list of forums I post in is because it is well policed by the mods and has a good set of rules in place to keep it more to conversation and discussion, rather than little ego contests.

Top Secret,

No sir, the Matrix is an open bolt paintgun. See the 2000 World Cup episode of PigTV (http://www.pigtv.net/00_summary/00_WorldCup.shtml). There's an interview with Eric Stork introducing the 'gun and shots of it firing without the breech in place, where you can clearly see the bolt back in the rest position, and popping forward when it fires.

See you on the field,
-Bill Mills

[Top Secret]

Interesting, I always believed that they operated closed bolt.

[billmi]

Originally posted by Top Secret
Interesting, I always believed that they operated closed bolt.

I think, at one point some of their ads said something similar to Air Power's label that they used for the Vector - "Simulated closed bolt." That's "marketing speak" for "open bolt."

I was told by a magazine editor that the Firestorm kit PGI makes for the Autococker, which the manufacturer says has both "open bolt" and "closed bolt" modes is also always open bolt. The "closed bolt" mode just forces a delay holding the bolt closed for a moment longer from the time it closes until it releases the gas (haven't seen it myself, so take it with a grain of salt.)

See you on the field,
-Bill Mills

[Gambit22]

The Firestorm is released in two version: open bolt and closed bolt.

[billmi]

Originally posted by Gambit22
The Firestorm is released in two version: open bolt and closed bolt.

And according to the magazine editor (again, I haven't seen this in person to confirmit ) the spoke to me about this, the version they is being sold as closed bolt is actually open bolt, and just waits for a longer time period after the bolt closes before it fires.

See you on the field,
-Bill Mills

[Vegeta]

Mistre Mills is just cleaning up in this thread.

Nice to see someone well know in the comunity be so informative someplace like here.

[Top Secret]

Originally posted by billmi


I think, at one point some of their ads said something similar to Air Power's label that they used for the Vector - "Simulated closed bolt." That's "marketing speak" for "open bolt."

I was told by a magazine editor that the Firestorm kit PGI makes for the Autococker, which the manufacturer says has both "open bolt" and "closed bolt" modes is also always open bolt. The "closed bolt" mode just forces a delay holding the bolt closed for a moment longer from the time it closes until it releases the gas (haven't seen it myself, so take it with a grain of salt.)

See you on the field,
-Bill Mills

Just re-toured the E-Matrix page. I'm suprised AO-ers haven't ripped that gun to shreds with all the claims that they put out. "Statistically the most accurate..." "ROF: Classified. No equal" When will manufactuers learn...

[magman007]

hmm, bill im sorry if i came off as a little child arguing, but after the creature being told repeatedly by several memebers, i know i started to get a little testy. I appoligize. Any ways, the creature has been steared to truth.


Now if olny arkfear would listen...

[The Creature]

lol, you just said sorry for acting childish, yet you still play the blame game trying to explain why it was everyone else's fault but your own.