Any of you guys want to fight? Lets have a brawl. Its the endless debate.....

[Wc Keep]

honestly i dont find this to be a topic worth argueing. (sp) if can hit the guy in the back stand up bunker then its accurate enough for me.

[lopxtc]

Didnt Al Gore have a role in this also?

Aaron

Originally posted by AGD
HEY!! WAIT a minute!! I am the all knowing TOM KAYE and I DO control gravity!! I made it the same for everyone so there would be no complaining.

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AGD

[spazzed]

Originally posted by lopxtc
Didnt Al Gore have a role in this also?

Aaron

Nonono. He invented the internet. NOT the simple laws of Physics

[Kevmaster]

check out Warpig's version of your test:

http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/paintguns/balistic/closedopen.shtml

take a looksee

[Ityl]

basic physics also neglects friction, so friction must not exist. Just so you know, it is pretty much impossible to model a real world system. That means you cannot predict what will happen exactly. You can have an idea, and get close, but it will never be perfect.

If you say 2 balls going 300 fps out of 2 different guns go the exact same distance, then I will bet you 1 million dollars that my neighbors M98 with flatline will go farther than your mag at 300 fps and not angled up.

This is an exaggeration in the difference between all the different guns, but it shows that all guns don't have the same accuracy and range. They are close, but not exact. Even a single gun cannot lauch a ball the exact same every time, so if one gun cannot do it, then you can't expect another to shoot the same as it.

Even Doc Nickel came on here and said that all guns don't shoot the same, but there isn't a huge difference.

And of course AGD will say that all guns shoot the same, they make the guns that have been claimed to not shoot as far.

But I could really couldn't care less about all this.

[booyah]

friction doesnt come into play in these calculations... dont get me wrong, friction factors into equations, but in this case the friction should act no different on either ball. both being the same size, mass, and traveling at the same velocity friction will act on both the same.

the flatline model 98 and mag example is a poor one at best. the entire point of the flatline is to add an intentional consistant spin to the ball. its called the magnus effect a back spining ball will create lift and travel a flater trajectory.

Thats accepted fact. the entire conversionation though is negating spin, since unless the spin is very consistant it will negativly affect accuracy. thats why the flatline with poor paint sucks, the spin isnt consistant.

now, if you were to somehow put a flatline on a mag (man that would be ugly) and shoot the same paint out of it and a model 98 flatline, at the same angle, same velocity then they WILL TRAVEL THE SAME DISTANCE. it has nothing to do with the gun, your statement is all about the barrel.

and i'll take you up on that bet, i'm sure there is someway to mount my flatline on my mag and for 1million dollars i'll do it.

-Booyah

[halB]

of course the cocker shoots farther, after all it has the "super physics defying elves"

but seriously, if we do ignore physics, we find that the cocker is really more accurate

[booyah]

hehe, right up there with my favorite quote from paintballers


"Yeah well physics is all on paper and this is the real world!"

and if physics didnt work in the real world how on earth do we get cell phones, space stations, and that thar contraption yer typin on now!

i mean if by some magic an autococker can shoot a ball 20% farther and 10% more accurate, wouldnt nasa contract WGP to tell them how and reduce the launch cost of satelites?

-Booyah

now, before i get flamed, do me a favor, solve this physics issue for me I'll make it easy

Little jimmy is on his sled on a frictionless ice hill, the hill is 20 meters tall, and little jimmy pushes off.

at the bottom of the hill is a brick wall. now, assuming little jimmy and sled weigh 40 Kg and decelerates his full velocity over 4 inches of crushed sled, how many g forces does little jimmy take? better yet, say little jimmy can survice 50G over a short period (pretty realistic) does he live?

show your work :-P

[FalconGuy016]

Couldnt the different style of guns operation have a different effect on a paintball? such as a spin (even a slight one) or something on the liquid on the inside of the paintball that could effect it AFTER it leaves the barrel at 300 fps?

[rhetor22]

Yes, and that is the only thing the gun can affect. The gun controls velocity, and spin (it doesn't really control it, but the spin on the ball, if any, should be consistent in one gun.)

Besides spin and velocity, i don't think there is anything the gun can change.

Spin is made in the barrel anyhow.

:o why am i even doing this... i don't care either way.

I can't see any difference between accuracey in different guns. So it doesn't really bother me.

[HoppysMag]

law of physics, neglecting air resistance and spin. 2 objects launched at the same angle going the same speed will go the same range...gravity affects them both the same. if you take a gun and point it paralel to a level field and fire it, and at the same time drop a bullet from the same height, they will both hit at the same time, just the fired bullet is down range.... so even with ballistics, the way to extend range, is to add speed.

now when you introduce a backspin device ( such as the Automag Z body or M98 flatline barrel) then the ball, if consistantly spinning, will go farher than the bal fired from a regular marker.

[RRfireblade]

READ THIS......

O.K. (takes deep breath) I'm sure why I'm gonna say this because I don't think I believe it could, but.....

You go over to the crono,(with your mag)hold your gun down over the crono and fire x amount of times.....280fps.

Now Joey Cocker fan does the same......280fps.

Now, your out playing and take a shot,marker either shouldered or held out. My rockin' Mag fires,it's high speed bolt uncorks.The bolt rockets forword,paintball in hand and launches the projectile off at 280fps,HOWEVER....the speed of such a launch of "BOLT AND BALL" causes an equal but opposite reaction (physics baby)forcing the gun rearward,if ever so slightly,thereby slowing the PBall just enough to be noticable at somewhere around 100 feet away as the slight loss is magnified by the time and distance.The ball drops 1 foot short of Joeys Goggles and erupts on his bunker.

Joey in retaliation of his near elimination,returns fire.This time however,his "bolt" is just hanging on as it blows its wad...of gas that is (sorry) and fails to contribute to the mass causing the rearward reaction.The differance as so subtle as to only be detectable....you guessed it......100 feet away there by .....splat!!Gogged again by that damn cocker guy!

To confound matters worse,the post closing bolt and back block slam into the gun frame,loading the next Pball and actually causes a slight forward motion to the gun as the next shot is fired as to give it that much more perseptable range.(what ever that might be)

"Believe it......OR NOT"

Jay.

[syk]

Someone at angel-owners already solved the whole range debate. He said that it is a well kept secret that paintballs have eyes. Once they leave the barrel they look back at the gun that fired them and if they see a cocker they know that they must travel 50ft. farther than if they saw an angel or a mag. Now we have one less thing to fight about.

[HoppysMag]

Re: READ THIS......

Originally posted by RRfireblade
O.K. (takes deep breath) I'm sure why I'm gonna say this because I don't think I believe it could, but.....

You go over to the crono,(with your mag)hold your gun down over the crono and fire x amount of times.....280fps.

Now Joey Cocker fan does the same......280fps.

Now, your out playing and take a shot,marker either shouldered or held out. My rockin' Mag fires,it's high speed bolt uncorks.The bolt rockets forword,paintball in hand and launches the projectile off at 280fps,HOWEVER....the speed of such a launch of "BOLT AND BALL" causes an equal but opposite reaction (physics baby)forcing the gun rearward,if ever so slightly,thereby slowing the PBall just enough to be noticable at somewhere around 100 feet away as the slight loss is magnified by the time and distance.The ball drops 1 foot short of Joeys Goggles and erupts on his bunker.

Joey in retaliation of his near elimination,returns fire.This time however,his "bolt" is just hanging on as it blows its wad...of gas that is (sorry) and fails to contribute to the mass causing the rearward reaction.The differance as so subtle as to only be detectable....you guessed it......100 feet away there by .....splat!!Gogged again by that damn cocker guy!

To confound matters worse,the post closing bolt and back block slam into the gun frame,loading the next Pball and actually causes a slight forward motion to the gun as the next shot is fired as to give it that much more perseptable range.(what ever that might be)

"Believe it......OR NOT"

Jay.

not.

[HoppysMag]

ok in paintball , same as regular guns, most if not all of the kick is from the gasses escaping the muzzle, hence the need for compensators on FA rifles... if the gass has left the gun and pushed the barrel up, then the ball has already left too. and if your version had any truth then the mag would be forced down from the momentem of the bolt going forward under what ever PSI its stoping... not up from the pressure of the weak little spring...